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Brandy211
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Excuse the language but why in the name of all f**k was this guy allowed to roam about Europe unchecked?

Are there still people out there who believe that having tens of thousands undocumented and unvetted males crossing Europe is a jolly good state of affairs?”

He used six different names & three different nationalities...
NeverEnough
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Brandy211:
“He used six different names & three different nationalities...”

Yeah I know. Clearly a poor confused soul.....
testcard
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MAW:
“I'm sure I've read somewhere that there are currently about 15000 on MI5's watch list. Most of them probably bedroom bound teenagers with brave fingers, but it's still an alarming number.”

Screw Human Rights. I'd have every single one of them on a fleet of RAF transports to somewhere warmer.
Zeropoint1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Excuse the language but why in the name of all f**k was this guy allowed to roam about Europe unchecked?

Are there still people out there who believe that having tens of thousands undocumented and unvetted males crossing Europe is a jolly good state of affairs?”

Yep, and to question it is met with the usual cries of racism, xenophobia, islamaphobia and little Englander.

It's how those living in some parallel world like Lily Allen and the Islington elite see the world.

They don't question why a man who looks 30 but claims to be 15. They don't ask where all the women and children are and why it's mainly men aged 18 - 40 (11 - 17)
They don't question why it's more important that a man who is blatantly lieing about his age has more right to be here than children who are quite clearly children.
KIIS102
21-12-2016
ISIS themselves warned Europe, if you let in millions of people then they will send in their own people. Everyone laughed and said "don't be silly". Now we have hundreds of dead people across Europe killed by ISIS fighters who were allowed in.

I'm not at all shocked by these constant attacks, I'm sort of surprised they're not much worse. Now from the idiotic politicians and people who agreed with letting them in, we'll here "we need to adapt to the situation" and "we weren't prepared for the number of people". Same blind thinking after every attack/

Let's see how many European lives ISIS to kill before the Governments realise what they've done. Thank god David Cameron didn't bow to EU pressure and let these people in, atleast we're taking them from UN camps and in control of the situation when they come here.
MAW
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by testcard:
“Screw Human Rights. I'd have every single one of them on a fleet of RAF transports to somewhere warmer.”

My preference would be to establish the caliphate of Rockall. The rain would keep the risk of explosions to a minimum.
MargMck
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“I remember last year when the migrant crisis was THE story, the BBC sort of did an unofficial journey accross Europe diary with a disabled little girl crossing Europe in her rickety wheelchair

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34275165

One of the most blatantly emotive pieces of BBC journalism in recent years (I believe Human Interest story is the current phrase). Even then if you ignored the handpicked photogenic disabled girl with the camera stuck in her face, and looked in the background you saw and endless stream of 20 something males hiding under hoodies.

Did anyone actually fall for that s**t? I thought leftie multiculturalists where supposed to be the intelligent ones.....”

Yep, then there was the grandson who had supposedly pushed his ancient granny in a wheelchair all the way from Afghanistan, apparently through Iran, the Balkans and then on across Europe to safety somehow at 100 miles a day, and the reporter told this story as fact.
Meanwhile, away from mainstream media came the videos of Islamic Lads on Tour, roughly pushing all and sundry out of the way to get on trains, chucking away food offered by smiling blonde frauleins, stories of missing refugee kids suddenly with "uncles", women and kids shoved towards the front of what became the Hungarian 'front line' of fences, baton rounds and tear gas.
All this while genuine Syrian refugee families camped on frozen ground clutching photos of Mother Merkel.

And then on to phoney passport scandals, the attempted cover ups of what happened in Cologne, swimming baths, parts of Sweden - all under "human rights" and privacy laws.
Everlasting
21-12-2016
The thing is I read not that long ago, that it was believed that Isis would be over by 2018, maybe even sooner. It looks like inteligence got that wrong, although there may still be a chance. I cant believe the amount of attacks germany has had this past year tho.
MargMck
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Everlasting:
“The thing is I read not that long ago, that it was believed that Isis would be over by 2018, maybe even sooner. It looks like inteligence got that wrong, although there may still be a chance. I cant believe the amount of attacks germany has had this past year tho.”

Soft targets in every sense. All that willkommen-ing was always going to be taken the pee of by IS.
blueblade
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by KIIS102:
“ISIS themselves warned Europe, if you let in millions of people then they will send in their own people. Everyone laughed and said "don't be silly". Now we have hundreds of dead people across Europe killed by ISIS fighters who were allowed in.

I'm not at all shocked by these constant attacks, I'm sort of surprised they're not much worse. Now from the idiotic politicians and people who agreed with letting them in, we'll here "we need to adapt to the situation" and "we weren't prepared for the number of people". Same blind thinking after every attack/

Let's see how many European lives ISIS to kill before the Governments realise what they've done. Thank god David Cameron didn't bow to EU pressure and let these people in, atleast we're taking them from UN camps and in control of the situation when they come here.”

Absolutely agree with that.
NeverEnough
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Absolutely agree with that.”

Seconded. Maybe that's why David Cameron, for all his faults, made policy, and Lily Allen makes music.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by KIIS102:
“ISIS themselves warned Europe, if you let in millions of people then they will send in their own people. Everyone laughed and said "don't be silly". Now we have hundreds of dead people across Europe killed by ISIS fighters who were allowed in.

I'm not at all shocked by these constant attacks, I'm sort of surprised they're not much worse.
Now from the idiotic politicians and people who agreed with letting them in, we'll here "we need to adapt to the situation" and "we weren't prepared for the number of people". Same blind thinking after every attack/

Let's see how many European lives ISIS to kill before the Governments realise what they've done. Thank god David Cameron didn't bow to EU pressure and let these people in, atleast we're taking them from UN camps and in control of the situation when they come here.”

Just on the BIBs. Agree, am surprised we have not had more and worse.
Equally I don't feel fearful about the attacks- just cause I AM much more likely to crash my own car.
However I am indignant that even a single life taken by these buffoons. Yes, we will always live/have lived with political violence but this is quite another beast entirely.

After Paris, it's mayor said maybe we have to expect the "new normal" and made comparisons to what people see as normal in Israel ( stringent security & curtailment) , because there is no easy solution. However, what we are seeing unfold today, about individual immigration histories, is beyond ludicrous.

And what concerns the Germans, even the most liberal, is that there will be no foreseeable end to this as even if IS in the Levant is wiped off that Continent, the German state will have a nigh on impossible job of getting it's new citizens content and prosperous enough to avoid getting sucked in by this death-cult.

(Yes all the experts warned of this (incl ISIS), ex-Interpol and ex MI5/ military professionals. Fingers in ears -lalala) Amuses me posters making up stories about detention camps etc when the EU itself has done a Turkish deal to create something similar.
I do have sympathy for the German principles, but I fear they have been totally & vainly misguided.

Good article by German writer in Guardian yesterday opining that what we are seeing, from Merkel et al, is the vestiges of guilt for a fascist past.
Susie_Smith
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by KIIS102:
“ISIS themselves warned Europe, if you let in millions of people then they will send in their own people. Everyone laughed and said "don't be silly". Now we have hundreds of dead people across Europe killed by ISIS fighters who were allowed in.

I'm not at all shocked by these constant attacks, I'm sort of surprised they're not much worse. Now from the idiotic politicians and people who agreed with letting them in, we'll here "we need to adapt to the situation" and "we weren't prepared for the number of people". Same blind thinking after every attack/

Let's see how many European lives ISIS to kill before the Governments realise what they've done. Thank god David Cameron didn't bow to EU pressure and let these people in, atleast we're taking them from UN camps and in control of the situation when they come here.”

I agree fully with your post. ISIS told us all years ago that if the borders were open, they would send trained killers to disrupt our way of life and cause death and carnage.

Our leaders ignored them for some bizarre reason. Now they are presumably spending huge amounts of time and effort to locate the killers, like needles in a haystack.

The fact there have not been more deaths makes me feel slightly better about human nature. I assume most would-be terrorists cannot actually bring themselves to go through with it, either through fear or some nagging sense that it might actually be wrong.
hatpeg
21-12-2016
The Tunisian had his asylum application turned down in Germany, but couldn't be deported as he had lost his documents.......which he then miraculously found and left them under the seat of the lorry.

Of course he did!
tour de force
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“It' s incidents like this that make me genuinely glad that the UK is an island and one simply can' t just casually stroll accross the border.

But hey, if this guy had made his way to Calais and claimed to be a 17 year old Syrian he would doubtless be in the UK now, possibly living with Lily Allen or Nicola Sturgeon (every cloud etc). And let' s face it, with this guys record of extreme dishonesty that is not a far fetched scenario.”


That reminds me of the then 17 year old Afghan asylum seeker who was jailed for 10 years for attempted murder after pushing a woman over a cliff in Greece in 2013. After serving a little more than a year he was freed from prison and made his way to Germany where he was placed with a foster family. He is now awaiting trial for the rape and murder of a medical student in Germany in October.

Surprise, surprise he is still claiming to be 17.

It's almost as though the powers that be actively despise their citizens.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7477371.html
academia
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Susie_Smith:
“I agree fully with your post. ISIS told us all years ago that if the borders were open, they would send trained killers to disrupt our way of life and cause death and carnage.

Our leaders ignored them for some bizarre reason. Now they are presumably spending huge amounts of time and effort to locate the killers, like needles in a haystack.

The fact there have not been more deaths makes me feel slightly better about human nature. I assume most would-be terrorists cannot actually bring themselves to go through with it, either through fear or some nagging sense that it might actually be wrong.”

Terrorists have no moral compass. That there haven't been more attacks is down to the good offices of security services and s spoonful of luck.
francie
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“That reminds me of the then 17 year old Afghan asylum seeker who was jailed for 10 years for attempted murder after pushing a woman over a cliff in Greece in 2013. After serving a little more than a year he was freed from prison and made his way to Germany where he was placed with a foster family. He is now awaiting trial for the rape and murder of a medical student in Germany in October.

Surprise, surprise he is still claiming to be 17.

It's almost as though the powers that be actively despise their citizens.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7477371.html”

Good grief.

Sentenced to 10 years yet "... he served around 18 months of attempted murder" "

German authorities are reportedly talking with their Greek counterparts to see how he was able to migrate to Germany despite his conviction. " - German authorities not questioning their own lack of thorough investigations I see.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by hatpeg:
“The Tunisian had his asylum application turned down in Germany, but couldn't be deported as he had lost his documents.......which he then miraculously found and left them under the seat of the lorry.

Of course he did!”

Apparently he left his finger prints on the steering wheel too.
francie
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by flashfiction:
“Apparently he left his finger prints on the steering wheel too.”

Either as thick as pigsh!t or bottled out of meeting his virgins.
tour de force
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“Good grief.

Sentenced to 10 years yet "... he served around 18 months of attempted murder" "

German authorities are reportedly talking with their Greek counterparts to see how he was able to migrate to Germany despite his conviction. " - German authorities not questioning their own lack of thorough investigations I see.”



Perhaps one day we'll have a way of physically identifying individuals, and some sort of mechanical or electronic device whereby the authorities can store and share information on convicted criminals.
francie
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“Perhaps one day we'll have a way of physically identifying individuals, and some sort of mechanical or electronic device whereby the authorities can store and share information on convicted criminals. ”

You'd think in light of what's been going on for the last few years then something would be in place now.
sutie
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“Perhaps one day we'll have a way of physically identifying individuals, and some sort of mechanical or electronic device whereby the authorities can store and share information on convicted criminals. ”




If only ... heartfelt sigh.

But, just to cheer you, I think they're working on something to do with those little lines on the end of your fingertips.

One day ...one day.

even larger, sadder, more despairing sigh.

tour de force
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by sutie:
“If only ... heartfelt sigh.

But, just to cheer you, I think they're working on something to do with those little lines on the end of your fingertips.

One day ...one day.

even larger, sadder, more despairing sigh.

”



Oh sutie, you're such a sucker for scientific mumbo jumbo. Next thing you'll be telling me we'll all have access to electronic elves providing mountains of information simply by pressing a button.
sutie
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“Oh sutie, you're such a sucker for scientific mumbo jumbo. Next thing you'll be telling me we'll all have access to electronic elves providing mountains of information simply by pressing a button. ”



Now you're letting your imagination run away with you. I bet you think that people can talk to each other without writing letters.

Like I said, one day.
flashfiction
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“Either as thick as pigsh!t or bottled out of meeting his virgins.”

Still not heard if there are any CCTV cameras around the square, I realise Germans are very wary of having cameras spying on them.

Maybe he guessed that he could get away but didn't give a shit either way & anticipating getting deported soon. Options to go prepping for another evil deed, a few backslaps from his crew, loves the notoriety and the bravado of being on the run, totally bought into his warrior delusion? Dunno, hard to get a fix on these losers' mindset.

After the Paris attacks and before the final shoot out at the apartment, I remember some of the killers were out relaxing on the streets having a toke. Brazen.
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