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NeverEnough
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“That reminds me of the then 17 year old Afghan asylum seeker who was jailed for 10 years for attempted murder after pushing a woman over a cliff in Greece in 2013. After serving a little more than a year he was freed from prison and made his way to Germany where he was placed with a foster family. He is now awaiting trial for the rape and murder of a medical student in Germany in October.

Surprise, surprise he is still claiming to be 17.

It's almost as though the powers that be actively despise their citizens.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7477371.html”

Sometimes the phrase f*****g hell seems woefully inadequate.

Do the countries of the EU ever actually talk to each other?
blueblade
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“That reminds me of the then 17 year old Afghan asylum seeker who was jailed for 10 years for attempted murder after pushing a woman over a cliff in Greece in 2013. After serving a little more than a year he was freed from prison and made his way to Germany where he was placed with a foster family. He is now awaiting trial for the rape and murder of a medical student in Germany in October.

Surprise, surprise he is still claiming to be 17.

It's almost as though the powers that be actively despise their citizens.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7477371.html”

No wonder they're ROTFLTFA's off at us - well not so much us here as it appears that the collective insanity pervading the EU is thankfully missing the UK to a great extent.
Palafrugel
22-12-2016
Naveed Baluch - the released Pakistani refugee is now missing according to his cousin. He has previously been known for committing petty crimes in Germany and having many aliases. Apparently he speaks no German.
francie
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Palafrugel:
“Naveed Baluch - the released Pakistani refugee is now missing according to his cousin. He has previously been known for committing petty crimes in Germany and having many aliases. Apparently he speaks no German.”

He could be innocent and fears the backlash then again...

Who the hell knows, Germany doesn't seem to. The more I read the more baffled, disgusted, angrier I get.
rathcoole_kai
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Zeropoint1:
“Yep, and to question it is met with the usual cries of racism, xenophobia, islamaphobia and little Englander.

It's how those living in some parallel world like Lily Allen and the Islington elite see the world.

They don't question why a man who looks 30 but claims to be 15. They don't ask where all the women and children are and why it's mainly men aged 18 - 40 (11 - 17)
They don't question why it's more important that a man who is blatantly lieing about his age has more right to be here than children who are quite clearly children.”

Interesting in all those adverts appealing for aid in war torn countries show women and mainly children.
Guess we know where the men are.
What man would leave his wife and children and flee?
Zeropoint1
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by rathcoole_kai:
“Interesting in all those adverts appealing for aid in war torn countries show women and mainly children.
Guess we know where the men are.
What man would leave his wife and children and flee?”

I think it's obvious what type of 'men' they are when they flee leaving behind the women and children.

It is funny that they really do appear to be 'fighting age males' too. If it were the elderly or young then fair enough but they always seem to be about 20 - 45.
Terry N
22-12-2016
Very convenient that he left his ID in the lorry.
Trulytrue
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by rathcoole_kai:
“Interesting in all those adverts appealing for aid in war torn countries show women and mainly children.
Guess we know where the men are.
What man would leave his wife and children and flee?”

Originally Posted by Zeropoint1:
“I think it's obvious what type of 'men' they are when they flee leaving behind the women and children.

It is funny that they really do appear to be 'fighting age males' too. If it were the elderly or young then fair enough but they always seem to be about 20 - 45.”


its always been like that. The men go find a new life and then send for their family.

Whats with the "fighting age" ? You cannot stay and fight blanket bombing or drones. Maybe their idea of fighting is your idea of terrorism.
If you bomb people and kill all the family expect them to be very very angry. Dont expect people who have nothing to be grateful for being let into a country that is responsible for them having nothing and where the people are doubting they are refugees because they own a phone and a good pair of trainers.

Not that I 100% or even 50% think all these terrorist attacks are by actual "terrorists".
Trulytrue
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Very convenient that he left his ID in the lorry.”

Its always very convenient isn't it. How many attacks where they didn't find ID?

People convince themselves its all above board as terrorists are a bit daft and not that bright. So stands to reason they all drop their ID and are easy found.
Rich_L
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Very convenient that he left his ID in the lorry.”

Maybe he presumed he was gonna die and go off to visit the 700 virgins that were waiting for him so he didn't give a shit about his ID?
Rich_L
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Do the countries of the EU ever actually talk to each other?”

His lawyers would have argued that that would have been against his human rights.
TrollHunter
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Not that I 100% or even 50% think all these terrorist attacks are by actual "terrorists".”

Who do you think they're committed by then?
RichmondBlue
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“its always been like that. The men go find a new life and then send for their family.

Whats with the "fighting age" ? You cannot stay and fight blanket bombing or drones. Maybe their idea of fighting is your idea of terrorism.
If you bomb people and kill all the family expect them to be very very angry. Dont expect people who have nothing to be grateful for being let into a country that is responsible for them having nothing and where the people are doubting they are refugees because they own a phone and a good pair of trainers.

Not that I 100% or even 50% think all these terrorist attacks are by actual "terrorists".”

All the more reason for keeping them out then, isn't it. Or at least screening them more carefully ? And why target innocent civilians in Germany, a country that has welcomed them with open arms ? A nation that hasn't been carpet bombing them or sending in drones.
Let's face it, many of them hate us and our way of life. According to their sick religious beliefs, the murder of infidels brings glory to their God. Of course, only a small minority are that extreme, but there's a larger minority who despise the way we live and will never accept Western customs. That's a recipe for growing unrest, even if we ignore the terrorist implications.
Trulytrue
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“All the more reason for keeping them out then, isn't it. Or at least screening them more carefully ? And why target innocent civilians in Germany, a country that has welcomed them with open arms ? A nation that hasn't been carpet bombing them or sending in drones.
Let's face it, many of them hate us and our way of life. According to their sick religious beliefs, the murder of infidels brings glory to their God. Of course, only a small minority are that extreme, but there's a larger minority who despise the way we live and will never accept Western customs. That's a recipe for growing unrest, even if we ignore the terrorist implications.”


What about in your own personal world. Do you see and feel the hate around you. I live near Luton go shopping there a lot never felt this hate they have for us. I only see it if I accidently see TV news or read a headline telling me they hate us.
RobinOfLoxley
22-12-2016
Their hate for us is bang out of order when we do nothing but make them feel welcome
NeverEnough
22-12-2016
More here. The more I read the more it's beyond belief.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38399561

Andi, from that "civil war bombed out hellhole" Albania (dirt poor but not overly dangerous) doesn't like the accommodation. Perhaps he was expecting a nice Munich semi? And the suspect it appears was not fleeing from mortal danger, but instead fleeing from justice as he was convicted in absentia of robbery with violence.
GusGus
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“All the more reason for keeping them out then, isn't it. Or at least screening them more carefully ? And why target innocent civilians in Germany, a country that has welcomed them with open arms ? A nation that hasn't been carpet bombing them or sending in drones.
Let's face it, many of them hate us and our way of life. According to their sick religious beliefs, the murder of infidels brings glory to their God. Of course, only a small minority are that extreme, but there's a larger minority who despise the way we live and will never accept Western customs. That's a recipe for growing unrest, even if we ignore the terrorist implications.”


I agree
Ironwithin
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“All the more reason for keeping them out then, isn't it. Or at least screening them more carefully ? And why target innocent civilians in Germany, a country that has welcomed them with open arms ? A nation that hasn't been carpet bombing them or sending in drones.
Let's face it, many of them hate us and our way of life. According to their sick religious beliefs, the murder of infidels brings glory to their God. Of course, only a small minority are that extreme, but there's a larger minority who despise the way we live and will never accept Western customs. That's a recipe for growing unrest, even if we ignore the terrorist implications.”

Show any weakness as Germany has and you will reap the whirlwind, these people on can be faced with strength and ruthlessness.
anne_666
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“All the more reason for keeping them out then, isn't it. Or at least screening them more carefully ? And why target innocent civilians in Germany, a country that has welcomed them with open arms ? A nation that hasn't been carpet bombing them or sending in drones.
Let's face it, many of them hate us and our way of life. According to their sick religious beliefs, the murder of infidels brings glory to their God. Of course, only a small minority are that extreme, but there's a larger minority who despise the way we live and will never accept Western customs. That's a recipe for growing unrest, even if we ignore the terrorist implications.”

They've sent in at least 6 reconnaissance jets, a frigate to help protect the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, refuelling aircraft and up to 1,200 military personnel. IS threatened retaliation on coalition countries, terrorism is how they fight and as usual the innocent suffer. Thankfully they don't have fighter planes!
Importing Muslims en-masse in light of the entire situation with IS was sheer madness and was guaranteed to destabilise Europe and give power to the far right at the very least.
Refugees should have been given help where it was needed, but that was ignored by the EU..
Instead billions have been and are still being spent and wasted in Europe while they were allowed and then encouraged in a death race, mainly to help Germany's dire workforce shortage.
blueblade
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“All the more reason for keeping them out then, isn't it. Or at least screening them more carefully ? And why target innocent civilians in Germany, a country that has welcomed them with open arms ? A nation that hasn't been carpet bombing them or sending in drones.
Let's face it, many of them hate us and our way of life. According to their sick religious beliefs, the murder of infidels brings glory to their God. Of course, only a small minority are that extreme, but there's a larger minority who despise the way we live and will never accept Western customs. That's a recipe for growing unrest, even if we ignore the terrorist implications.”

They've got to be careful, because at the end of the day they are still very much the minority in terms of the total population. I think some of them are forgetting this fact because up till now, the majority haven't said or done very much.

It only takes a few atrocities for things to change on that score.
Zeropoint1
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“its always been like that. The men go find a new life and then send for their family.

Whats with the "fighting age" ? You cannot stay and fight blanket bombing or drones. Maybe their idea of fighting is your idea of terrorism.
If you bomb people and kill all the family expect them to be very very angry. Dont expect people who have nothing to be grateful for being let into a country that is responsible for them having nothing and where the people are doubting they are refugees because they own a phone and a good pair of trainers.

Not that I 100% or even 50% think all these terrorist attacks are by actual "terrorists".”

Funnily enough if my country was a war zone I wouldn't abandon my wife and children then travel thousands of miles and live in a safe country for months on end.

Where is the logic in leaving somebody behind until you get a nice flat, job and anything else? You all flee the country as quickly as possible (together)

I wonder who you actually think committed these crimes if it wasn't ungrateful new comers? Are we supposed to believe it's another false flag Mossad or CIA job?
Trulytrue
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Zeropoint1:
“Funnily enough if my country was a war zone I wouldn't abandon my wife and children then travel thousands of miles and live in a safe country for months on end.

Where is the logic in leaving somebody behind until you get a nice flat, job and anything else? You all flee the country as quickly as possible (together)

I wonder who you actually think committed these crimes if it wasn't ungrateful new comers? Are we supposed to believe it's another false flag Mossad or CIA job?”

Ungrateful newcomers? You expect them to be grateful about being bomb in a war based on lies?
You think its not possible for your government to do dreadful things and lie about it? You think its not possible that one group can do something and then blame another?

This isn't a film with a hero, this is real life not many people would drag their children through a few war zones to get to safety when they don't even know where safety is. Maybe they left them in the safest place they knew.. Maybe those photos showing floods of "fighting fit" young men are not all as they seem. the world has been manipulated many times.

This whole things is based on a technique called divide and conquer . Divide and rule. Give us a enemy that we hate push that enemy onto us more and more and then we don't see what is really going on.
Pink_Smurf
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Ungrateful newcomers? You expect them to be grateful about being bomb in a war based on lies?
You think its not possible for your government to do dreadful things and lie about it? You think its not possible that one group can do something and then blame another?

This isn't a film with a hero, this is real life not many people would drag their children through a few war zones to get to safety when they don't even know where safety is. Maybe they left them in the safest place they knew.. Maybe those photos showing floods of "fighting fit" young men are not all as they seem. the world has been manipulated many times.

This whole things is based on a technique called divide and conquer . Divide and rule. Give us a enemy that we hate push that enemy onto us more and more and then we don't see what is really going on.”

I don't believe these conspiracy theories. First of all you're justifying terrorists' actions then you're implying "governments carry out terror attacks and blame muslims". You have your head in the clouds. In your world the terrorists can do no wrong and then you believe we are the terrorists who are actually doing wrong. Muslims hate us because we are infidels. They want to take over the world just like Adolf Hitler wanted to. They would love a global islamic state where there are no Jews and no Christians. I don't think that is just confined to the most extreme either.
Zeropoint1
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Ungrateful newcomers? You expect them to be grateful about being bomb in a war based on lies?
You think its not possible for your government to do dreadful things and lie about it? You think its not possible that one group can do something and then blame another?

This isn't a film with a hero, this is real life not many people would drag their children through a few war zones to get to safety when they don't even know where safety is. Maybe they left them in the safest place they knew.. Maybe those photos showing floods of "fighting fit" young men are not all as they seem. the world has been manipulated many times.

This whole things is based on a technique called divide and conquer . Divide and rule. Give us a enemy that we hate push that enemy onto us more and more and then we don't see what is really going on.”

I do expect people who have been allowed to move to the safety of Europe or any other place to be grateful to their new hosts, I certainly would be. Why aren't other countries so welcoming? Is it only Europeans who have to welcome all comers?

It's the same when we are told about refugee camps in France, it's funny because I don't believe France has been a war zone since 1945. Though I accept the main stream media may have hidden that to devide us.
Trulytrue
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“I don't believe these conspiracy theories. First of all you're justifying terrorists' actions then you're implying "governments carry out terror attacks and blame muslims". You have your head in the clouds. In your world the terrorists can do no wrong and then you believe we are the terrorists who are actually doing wrong. Muslims hate us because we are infidels. They want to take over the world just like Adolf Hitler wanted to. They would love a global islamic state where there are no Jews and no Christians. I don't think that is just confined to the most extreme either.”

You have your head in the sewers and the darkness then. You want to believe that they hate you. Its suits you do believe it.
I live in the real world, No TV , No newspapers to tell me who I must hate. I see normal people going about their day like you and I do. I prefer to see the good in people, your preference is very different.. We get what we focus more on.
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