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Couldn't agree more. But apparently Tunisia refused to accept him back because he apparently had no ID documentation. Which is really like saying that if one of us was abroad and lost our passport, we'd be refused entry back to the UK, ad infinitum.
Ridiculous. The UK government would establish that a passport had been issued to you and that you were the person named on that passport, and then give you either a document that allowed you to enter the country or a new passport. Not all countries do that. I have a Turkish friend who fled to the UK and claimed asylum. Despite having a Turkish ID card, the Turkish government have said told UKBA/Home Office that they "do not recognise her" as a Turkish citizen. She can't go anywhere abroad, as she can't get any sort of travel documents. She has been given leave to remain in the UK for 5 years, but has no idea what will happen then. She does at least know that she can't be deported, as she's technically stateless atm. |
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Several, why? Muslims have lived in this country for a very long time. I'm ancient and have many Muslim friends and ex-work associates. If anyone is genuinely interested in integration, getting to know their Muslim community, they're a good place to start.
Much the same applies to the Jewish, Hindus and Sikhs who also mainly choose to live in their own areas and not socialise in general. I've never been aware of being made to adapt to anything or change my way of life. We can only agree to disagree ![]() Sadly, I wouldn't expect any other response ![]() He was probably determined to get himself shot and his handlers will be relieved about the intelligence gone with him. Exactly what they aim for. |
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I think his actions, and what we know show his guilt. This is a good result, and predictable.
The only downside is that there are plenty more like him waiting to carry out the next murderous act. Mine was a tongue in cheek response to the poster who keeps repeating re. the ethical implications of death of a suspect ( pre-trial) |
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Pffffft but real muslims ARE different to British men. Very different as the vast majority live by the koran. They treat women differently than British men do. No British man has insisted I cover my face when I go out for starters. Oh and yes I'm aware there are British muslims, I'm just answering your post. When I find a British boyfriend who makes me wear a burka or a balaclava in public or if male vistors come to visit I'll eat my words on here.
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BIB . I got it .
Mine was a tongue in cheek response to the poster who keeps repeating re. the ethical implications of death of a suspect ( pre-trial) |
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Not at all. How could they be sure he was a Tunisian national if he didn't have any ID that said so? You can only deport people back to their own country (save for in certain specific circumstances).
second, articles say this has been happening for years with Tunisia. Sometimes they don't even bother replying to requests. |
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Why was an "Islamic State associated mosque" allowed to operate in Berlin?
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Sorry. I've just read a bit more, and see what you're saying.
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You are a bit rubbish at quoting from memory
A "suspect" isn't yet guilty of anything. To say "good" even when you have no idea if the person was guilty or not shows me how uncaring some people are. Lets remember many innocent people have been killed by the armed forces and the police over the years. I compared the hatred of some people on here for Muslims to the holocaust and how a country was persuaded to hate a huge population . |
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wonderful news, well done the Italian police.
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Why was an "Islamic State associated mosque" allowed to operate in Berlin?
All i found was that it had had basement accommodation so that could also be the reason he was spotted outside at 4am. |
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You are a bit rubbish at quoting from memory
A "suspect" isn't yet guilty of anything. To say "good" even when you have no idea if the person was guilty or not shows me how uncaring some people are. Lets remember many innocent people have been killed by the armed forces and the police over the years. I compared the hatred of some people on here for Muslims to the holocaust and how a country was persuaded to hate a huge population . After all the German police seem reasonable and had already released one innocent party. I'm sure their would be a reasonable explanation of why his fingerprints were found in the truck, why he went on the run, and why he didn't hand himself into police when his face was plastered all over the media for the past few days. And oh yeah, why he was found in possession of the same gun that killed the Polish driver. |
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Trouble is, Your mind is so open all kinds of rubbish falls into it.
Just this post alone shows you get all your info 2nd 3rd and 4th hand. Real Muslims are no different from British men. You get arseholes in all walks of life Ive met more controlling British men than Muslims ones. This is why you need to find out the truth for yourself. If you went to meet some you would feel very silly for your brainwashed ways |
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Thank goodness he didn't head here. A routine stop by one of our unarmed officers might well have been disastrous.
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Not in mine. Even more so in a Western country.
I agree there are issues around volition v cultural oppression, but if a woman really wants to wear a burqa, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I can see there might be something kind of liberating about it, tbh. Imagine never having to worry what you looked like? Bad hair days, VPLs and muffin tops just wouldn't matter. You could simply chuck it on over your pj's, slip your shoes on and you'd be ready to go to work. |
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You are a bit rubbish at quoting from memory
A "suspect" isn't yet guilty of anything. To say "good" even when you have no idea if the person was guilty or not shows me how uncaring some people are. Lets remember many innocent people have been killed by the armed forces and the police over the years. I compared the hatred of some people on here for Muslims to the holocaust and how a country was persuaded to hate a huge population . |
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have you got a link?
All i found was that it had had basement accommodation so that could also be the reason he was spotted outside at 4am. |
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so he didn't hook - up + get more weapons after the attack. Same gun used. Quote:
There is a report that Amri used the same gun in last night’s shoot out as was used to kill the Polish lorry driver, who was the first victim of the Berlin attack.
route taken by rail Quote:
Chambéry, France –> Turin –> Milan, arrival at 1am last night
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-live-coverage
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All Muslims therefore are going to commit mass murder.
We were talking about Burkas! |
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Where did I say, or even imply this?
We are talking about this piece of scum, whom you were sympathising with. Very questionable, in my opinion. ![]() |
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So you don't think women should be allowed to wear what they like?
I agree there are issues around volition v cultural oppression, but if a woman really wants to wear a burqa, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I can see there might be something kind of liberating about it, tbh. Imagine never having to worry what you looked like? Bad hair days, VPLs and muffin tops just wouldn't matter. You could simply chuck it on over your pj's, slip your shoes on and you'd be ready to go to work. |
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It's not me who appears to be brainwashed. You seem to be in denial and grasping at straws, once again. Nothing more to say really.
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You are a bit rubbish at quoting from memory
A "suspect" isn't yet guilty of anything. To say "good" even when you have no idea if the person was guilty or not shows me how uncaring some people are. Lets remember many innocent people have been killed by the armed forces and the police over the years. I compared the hatred of some people on here for Muslims to the holocaust and how a country was persuaded to hate a huge population .
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At 10:42 on the live update page currently running on the Guardian.
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..........entering an Isis (Islamic State)-associated mosque in Berlin on 14 and 15 December and again leaving it seven hours after the attack.
connected somehow to that Salafist "king- pin " ( recruiter who had also preached) arrested November - maybe.??ETA another Guardian article gives more detail Quote:
The mosque on Perleberger Strasse is connected to the Fussilet 33 association, which has in the past been under police surveillance because of alleged attempts to recruit new members for Islamic State. The mosque was raided by police on Thursday but no arrests were made. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...njuries-mosque
The mosque on Perleberger Strasse is a 15-minute walk from the site of Thyssenkrupp, where Polish truck driver Łukasz Urban was due to drop off his cargo on Monday |
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Oh dear, oh dear! Another one putting words in my mouth. I neither said, nor implied that.
We were talking about Burkas!
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