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#1151 |
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You really need to stop twisting peoples words to suit your agenda.
![]() I expect if the WWW were around before WW2 there would have been many people like you and I trying to get across each other's point of view about Jewish people. |
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#1152 |
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Integration is a two way process and you're admirably displaying how the overriding need of single minded extremists on both sides is to make sure it never happens.
Being an old fart, I can remember my grandmother saying all this about Caribbean immigrants back in 1960. It's as wrong now as it was then. |
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To those thinking it's incredibly shocking this guy wasn't stopped at the borders, it's worth remembering that unlike Britain, people on mainland Europe carry ID cards or papers they can be asked to produce - and indeed this is how they knew who this guy was in the first place, as he accidentally left his papers behind in the cab. He may not have been stopped at the border (but then again he might, as there are spot checks) but there was a decent chance he'd be stopped and asked for ID while traveling - as is exactly what happened. This has happened in other cases too, for example Rudy Guede, the killer of Meredith Kercher, was caught after he was stopped and asked for ID on a train in Germany. He might have made it across the border but he didn't make it much further.
It seems most likely this guy was trying to make it back to Tunisia, which would also have been difficult as he'd have needed to produce a passport to board a ship or plane. |
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#1154 |
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So you don't think women should be allowed to wear what they like?
I agree there are issues around volition v cultural oppression, but if a woman really wants to wear a burqa, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I can see there might be something kind of liberating about it, tbh. Imagine never having to worry what you looked like? Bad hair days, VPLs and muffin tops just wouldn't matter. You could simply chuck it on over your pj's, slip your shoes on and you'd be ready to go to work. It is diversive and limiting. It does not fit in here, or any non-muslim country. |
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Why is it scary?
Well let's see. The man was suspected of killing 12 people with malice of forethought and planning. He then fled the scene duly armed and was able to pass into France and board a train completely unchecked, whilst in possession of a loaded gun. Whilst he was possibly the most wanted man in Europe. He then entered a third country and was stopped only by chance after which he chose to open fire on the police. Now surely I'm not the only one who is considering that the passengers on that train had a lucky escape should this guy have decided that he wanted another taste of Jihad during the journey. Does it not concern you even in the slightest that an armed terrorist was able to cross at least two borders in Europe unchecked? |
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Don't think so. The Italian police got lucky. They weren't looking for him. It was just a chance encounter.
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I expect if the WWW were around before WW2 there would have been many people like you and I trying to get across each other's point of view about Jewish people.
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Some people seem to think otherwise I'm afraid, Anne. In fact, some people seem to think that integration is the wholesale adoption of the host culture by immigrant populations and anything less than that is a threat to the host nation's way of life.
Being an old fart, I can remember my grandmother saying all this about Caribbean immigrants back in 1960. It's as wrong now as it was then. Eventually if the dominant or main culture dissipates and is lost then what attracted All these People to come here in the fist place is eroded. Apparently being proud to be English and British and of your culture is seen by some to be racist - but not when people arriving here want to continue their culture and allegiances. But it's actually often white middle class liberals who seem to take offence at everything on behalf of others who are the most condemnatory and anti Britain. Most migrants come here because they want to live in Britain and admire its history, values and culture. |
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Please show me where I sympathised with this man? I only question if they were guilty or not, A question sadly lacking from yourself
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This is bang out of order. You need to seriously get a grip!
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Please show me where I sympathised with this man? I only question if they were guilty or not, A question sadly lacking from yourself
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Does it not concern you even in the slightest that an armed terrorist was able to cross at least two borders in Europe unchecked?
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wonderful news, well done the Italian police.
The "peaceniks" who post on here will be along shortly to complain about the wicked policeman doing his duty and shooting this murdering terrorist dead, and breaking some obscure convention There will be demands for the policeman to be imprisoned for murder |
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My mind is very much open, thank you very much. That is why I have never, and never will be dictated to by a bunch of men, who think women are second class citizens, and treat them as such. So please stop with your sly little digs, and have a look at your own shortcomings.
![]() How offensive was that to a group which included girls dressed in their best .school uniforms.It was an object lesson in integration - girls will be rudely treated if they do not conform to their 'standards'. They are too close minded to allow for difference. So I wouldn't set foot in a mosque either. |
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So he travelled all the way to Milan in his determination ? I am quite sure he could have managed to get himself shot in Berlin that day by waving his gun about .Its not rocket science that he would have been shot dead if that was his aim
There's a Lybian plane hijacking going on now in Malta, 111 passengers on board. |
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How do you know they weren't looking for him? Police across Europe were looking for him. They were doing routine stops and asked for his ID; he shot at them. It is quite likely that he was one of a number of people that were being looked for......for all sorts of crimes. They were doing their job
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I understand what Schengen means so I'm not concerned. In any case he wasn't a suspect at the time because the police already had the 'terrorist' in custody thanks to a helpful citizen.
My God. The final implosion of FOM within the EU can't come soon enough..... |
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You haven't explicitly stated that you sympathise with him, however you have questioned that lack of remorse some are showing towards his death, which strongly implies that you see his death as a sad event worthy of sympathy. Unless of course you are criticising yourself.
I would be saying the same thing had the police here shot a British suspect , We all know how wrong they sometimes get it. |
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The "peaceniks" who post on here will be along shortly to complain about the wicked policeman doing his duty and shooting this murdering terrorist dead, and breaking some obscure convention
There will be demands for the policeman to be imprisoned for murder Yes there are cases where police shootings are controversial, but this is blatantly not one of them. In fact I stand and applaud what they've done. Chance encounter or otherwise, the net effect is the same. A murdering terrorist is dead. |
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There's a Lybian plane hijacking going on now in Malta, 111 passengers on board.
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So let me get this straight in my head. You are not concerned that an alleged terrorist with a loaded gun and no documentation was on a train full of people and then attempted to murder an Italian policeman when stopped purely by chance?
My God. The final implosion of FOM within the EU can't come soon enough..... I can't see how the situation would have been any different if an alleged terrorist with a loaded gun had been on a train full of people in Germany and then attempted to murder a German police officer, and he wouldn't have needed to cross any borders for that. |
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Given that I know that borders between Schengen countries are effectively non-existent, and have been for many years, it doesn't bother me any more than any armed criminal crossing the border between Kent and East Sussex.
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Why is it scary?
Well let's see. The man was suspected of killing 12 people with malice of forethought and planning. He then fled the scene duly armed and was able to pass into France and board a train completely unchecked, whilst in possession of a loaded gun. Whilst he was possibly the most wanted man in Europe. He then entered a third country and was stopped only by chance after which he chose to open fire on the police. Now surely I'm not the only one who is considering that the passengers on that train had a lucky escape should this guy have decided that he wanted another taste of Jihad during the journey. Does it not concern you even in the slightest that an armed terrorist was able to cross at least two borders in Europe unchecked? |
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Are you gay or lesbian then? You seem thrilled with the idea of being surrounded by those who believe in conservative religious dogma, so I'm guessing you're not.
A lot of people can't see beyond the stereotype when it comes to Muslims. |
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Couldn't agree more. But apparently Tunisia refused to accept him back because he apparently had no ID documentation. Which is really like saying that if one of us was abroad and lost our passport, we'd be refused entry back to the UK, ad infinitum.
Ridiculous. If any Tom, Dick or Harriet turns up at the British Embassy there would be stringent checks before we'd be allowed travel documents to return to the UK. Quote:
Such hyperbole,
This person apparently killed a dozen people and maimed and injured others for life. He also shot a police officer when challenged. And you expect us to show sympathy for him now he is dead. Really? What about all his victims and their families? What is perhaps most concerning is how he fled all the way across Germany to France and then made it into Italy without being spotted. Schengen certainly needs looking at. It is always better to have justice run it's course and this man would have been far more use if captured alive - most of his victims families would also prefer to see justice done, I imagine. I also feel for his family who have to live with his actions and appear to be as horrified as the rest of us. Quote:
One would have thought that with an armed terrorist on the run some sort of extra effort would have been made on the borders, but apparently not.
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It's not me who appears to be brainwashed. You seem to be in denial and grasping at straws, once again. Nothing more to say really.
Visit a mosque, talk to Muslims and hear their opinions and lifestyles and then you might learn something. |
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