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Old 23-12-2016, 13:50
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Agree...oh and they always maybe mentally ill.
Yes, I forgot "mentally ill", also "ill treated" and "we don't know what they've gone through". Yes we do, ISIS indoctorine.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:54
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she'll need to get busy with morocco and algeria at the same time then ..........as they 're on the "unsafe" list for asylum seekers.

Then we'll need to have a look at our own in UK because we all know they'll be just as bad.
ALL asylum seekers should be stringently screened imo, no matter their origins and their destination.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:57
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someone posted earlier - was he headed back to Tunisia. ??
and he had got rid of his phone

Milan police chief Antonio de Iesu said the officers became suspicious after noticing Amri alone outside a closed suburban Milan train station at 3am. When asked, he said he had no ID papers. He also had no phone and just a small pocket knife.

But de Iesu said he had a fully loaded 22-calibur pistol that he used against the officers.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:09
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ALL asylum seekers should be stringently screened imo, no matter their origins and their destination.
Indeed but it's worse - each EU member decides which countries it regards as "safe".

so alongside the 3 I mentioned you have the likes of Albania , Montenegro and Kosovo who still have not been classed as safe by Germany........... that's before they even start to drill down to individual screening.

only once those countries are deemed "safe" can they fast-tracked home. They're still arguing about that.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:10
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You may have a point there. Whilst these arsewipes have no fear of death, they may have a fear of the method of death. I certainly would shed no tears if some died a long, protracted and exceedingly painful one, given what they do to others, whilst standing around laughing about it.

...and trust me, we could devise far more exquisitely worse ways than they could even begin to imagine.....

It won't and shouldn't happen, as we are civilised societies in Europe, who wouldn't stoop to their level of barbarity, but the thought is bound to be there.....
Time spent on giving it a long slow death is time that could be spent tracking down others. A quick bullet to the head should suffice.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:14
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Time spent on giving it a long slow death is time that could be spent tracking down others. A quick bullet to the head should suffice.
Within 24 hours of arrest, say?
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:16
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Within 24 hours of arrest, say?
Depends on how many are in the queue
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:18
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Time spent on giving it a long slow death is time that could be spent tracking down others. A quick bullet to the head should suffice.
Oh, they could be held for months first. It needn't be immediate.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:20
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Oh, they could be held for months first. It needn't be immediate.
Nah, rabid dogs need seeing to asap.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:23
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With all due respect you haven't clarified anything. The details have been available for a few hours now. The suspect was shot in Milan after firing at police officers. Would you like me to post some links? What other details do you require?
Stop trolling! Its clear I was talking about when the news first broke on this thread . I don't require any other details and I have clearly explained this was before any details were given If you cannot understand that simple little fact,then stop trying to debate something you are not clear about. .
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:24
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I'm sorry I don't want to forgive posters who constantly excuse the actions of ISIS (I'm not indicating you are, I am talking generally). Each and every time we get these murderers killing innocent people the same old "you don't know it's ISIS" excuse gets brought out. Each and every time, it's ISIS. Perhaps some posters need to stop being so keen on being PC and start worrying about how they can continue to slaughter us in this manner, while some still don't see them as a threat and continue to welcome them across our borders.
Agreed Minnie .There is always one on DS " lets wait and see maybe he was innocent , la dee da . " Completely disregarding that most of us had already read the news and he had pointed and shot a police officer .So regardless of who the man was he was not innocent .He was damn guilty of shooting a police officer and so I too join those who said " Good, I am glad he is dead before he shot someone else "


My heart goes out to all his victims and their loved ones now suffering and grieving and in pain .
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:24
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ALL asylum seekers should be stringently screened imo, no matter their origins and their destination.
I don't understand how we got to a place where it's seen as bad to question anybody trying to enter the country, and to describe illegal immigrants as illegal.
How has this happened?

There seems to be loads of people promoting the idea of breaking down borders and acting as though it will be a utopia if we just all thought the same.

It's normal for a country to protect its borders and to be thorough in scrutinizing people who enter it.
Anyone here who thinks it's xenophobic to think otherwise should see if they can just waltz into any non-European country like Australia, America, or Japan willy nilly and see how far you get.

These checks and balances are crucial for absolutely any country. Once you see it as normal to blindly welcome anyone into your country without really questioning who they are this is taking a path to disaster.
It's incredible how critical some are of people simply wanting to uphold the law of the land and seeing people as xenophobic or even racist if they don't just open their doors to anyone. In some circles you're seen as a very bad person if you describe an illegal immigrant as an illegal immigrant. You're expected to use some other term like undocumented migrant.
What's going on? When did basic common sense just evaporate into thin air?
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:25
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Nah, rabid dogs need seeing to asap.
The occasional innocent, dead P**i wouldn't bother you too much then
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:28
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The occasional innocent, dead P**i wouldn't bother you too much then
What the hell are you talking about?
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:29
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I don't understand how we got to a place where it's seen as bad to question anybody trying to enter the country, and to describe illegal immigrants as illegal.
How has this happened?

There seems to be loads of people promoting the idea of breaking down borders and acting as though it will be a utopia if we just all thought the same.

It's normal for a country to protect its borders and to be thorough in scrutinizing people who enter it.
Anyone here who thinks it's xenophobic to think otherwise should see if they can just waltz into any non-European country like Australia, America, or Japan willy nilly and see how far you get.

These checks and balances are crucial for absolutely any country. Once you see it as normal to blindly welcome anyone into your country without really questioning who they are this is taking a path to disaster.
It's incredible how critical some are of people simply wanting to uphold the law of the land and seeing people as xenophobic or even racist if they don't just open their doors to anyone. In some circles you're seen as a very bad person if you describe an illegal immigrant as an illegal immigrant. You're expected to use some other term like undocumented migrant.
What's going on? When did basic common sense just evaporate into thin air?
Good post.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:30
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He's not innocent though is he. Even if we assume he had nothing to do with the Christmas market and was somehow set up by someone/the authorities, he definitely shot a police officer, presumably with the intent to kill him, and could easily have gone on to kill others if he had not been shot.

Did I say otherwise? Nope I'm talking about the news first breaking please keep up.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:33
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Did I say otherwise? Nope I'm talking about the news first breaking please keep up.
You keep up .You obviously had not read the news before hopping on posters here that he " may be an innocent man " Most of us had in fact informed ourselves of his guilt at shooting a police officer . Give it up now .
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:45
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You keep up .You obviously had not read the news before hopping on posters here that he " may be an innocent man " Most of us had in fact informed ourselves of his guilt at shooting a police officer . Give it up now .
You are not everyone , do not speak for everyone.

The person posted "Suspect shot" the other person said "good one less scum etc"
2 or three minutes later two threads appeared saying suspect shot dead. one said details to follow . So this was before all the details were out.


Done with this crap now.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:46
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[quote=Trulytrue;84951932]You are not everyone , do not speak for everyone.

The person posted "Suspect shot" the other person said "good one less scum etc"
2 or three minutes later two threads appeared saying suspect shot dead. one said details to follow . So this was before all the details were out.


Done with this crap now.[/QUOTE]

great
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:48
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Stop trolling! Its clear I was talking about when the news first broke on this thread . I don't require any other details and I have clearly explained this was before any details were given If you cannot understand that simple little fact,then stop trying to debate something you are not clear about. .
I got what you meant.

Someone posted 'suspect shot'. IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS came the 'good' posts. THEN the details started coming through which indicated that it was indeed someone who had shot at police and got their just rewards.

I don't get what is difficult to understand or why you are being lambasted to be honest!

Although, in mitigation, these threads move so fast that it can be difficult to keep up sometimes!
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:52
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Suspect pledged allegance to ISIS in video

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Old 23-12-2016, 14:52
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You are not everyone , do not speak for everyone.

The person posted "Suspect shot" the other person said "good one less scum etc"
2 or three minutes later two threads appeared saying suspect shot dead. one said details to follow . So this was before all the details were out.


Done with this crap now.
OK, I have read back and understand a) why you snapped at me and b) what your point was. If the initial details were that the suspect had been shot dead in Italy, my reaction would have been concern. No one knows for sure he was driving that truck. I do agree with what you said.

*ETA: Actually, the police might know he was the driver from DNA evidence)

Of course, now we know why he was shot, and it seems the officer had little choice but to do so.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:57
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I got what you meant.

Someone posted 'suspect shot'. IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS came the 'good' posts. THEN the details started coming through which indicated that it was indeed someone who had shot at police and got their just rewards.

I don't get what is difficult to understand or why you are being lambasted to be honest!

Although, in mitigation, these threads move so fast that it can be difficult to keep up sometimes!
Thank you

I really must get cracking now . I have 32 bags of clothing to sort and food to sort and see what else is needed for the homeless then run to the shops for last moment bargain so can get double for my money and really give them a lovely Christmas and here I am arguing on the WWW about things that dont matter and not doing what does matter a lot to me.

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you and yours
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:58
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My sympathies also lay with those innocent and murdered by scum..
War on terror has two sides but in your eyes only one side can be innocent.

100s are dying everyday due to the lies of Tony Blair and co yet nothing done to him. We reap what we sow. Bush and Blair started this war and innocent people are paying the price and will carry on paying the price. But in your eyes as long as no one innocent in your country dies its fine.



'Your country?' Is that an indication that this isn't your country. No surprise if this is the case.
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Old 23-12-2016, 15:03
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I got what you meant.

Someone posted 'suspect shot'. IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS came the 'good' posts. THEN the details started coming through which indicated that it was indeed someone who had shot at police and got their just rewards.

I don't get what is difficult to understand or why you are being lambasted to be honest!

Although, in mitigation, these threads move so fast that it can be difficult to keep up sometimes!
"IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS" Unless I'm missing something it was 10 minutes* from a poster claiming the suspect had been shot dead and the first "good" (wtte) post - plenty of time (particularly in a busy thread) for posters to read up and verify from the various media outlets themselves.

* 09.29 Post #1071 and 09.39 Post #1073
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