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"Things that don't matter"? Like 12 people dead and around 50 injured, a number seriously? Terrorism mattters very much for those people and their friends and families.
bib assume the OP meant that arguing with 20 other DS posters on here, over the same point, was ultimately, of little personal value in comparison to other stuff and who can blame him/her |
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assume the OP meant that arguing with 20 other DS posters on here, over the same point, was ultimately, of little personal value in comparison to other stuff and who can blame him/her |
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Seeking asylum from Tunisia? Turned out to be a terrorist who murdered..well I never...
An expected result of many poor EU policies. Merkels hug a 'refugee' policy is just ridiculous. Germany showing again how to destroy Europe and its people. Why are Germany always on the wrong side of history? and even more worrying was we following them this time? One day in the future these current lot in charge will all be put on trial for their outrageously irresponsible and criminal actions both at home and abroad. |
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'German police have arrested two men suspected of planning an attack on a shopping mall – just days after a terror attack at a Berlin Christmas market.
The suspects, two brothers aged 28 and 31 who were born in Kosovo, were arrested in Duisburg in the industrial Ruhr region in the early hours of Friday'. 'They are suspected of plotting to strike the Centro mall in nearby Oberhausen, in the West German state of North Rhine-Westphalia.' http://news.sky.com/story/german-pol...-plot-10705678 Germany again, why so?? |
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'German police have arrested two men suspected of planning an attack on a shopping mall – just days after a terror attack at a Berlin Christmas market.
The suspects, two brothers aged 28 and 31 who were born in Kosovo, were arrested in Duisburg in the industrial Ruhr region in the early hours of Friday'. 'They are suspected of plotting to strike the Centro mall in nearby Oberhausen, in the West German state of North Rhine-Westphalia.' http://news.sky.com/story/german-pol...-plot-10705678 Germany again, why so?? ![]() ![]() I lived in that region for over a year..it's a fabulous region with lovely people. Germany really is going through the mill
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The difference being of course that they don't take their lead from a holy book for justification.
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Some people seem to think otherwise I'm afraid, Anne. In fact, some people seem to think that integration is the wholesale adoption of the host culture by immigrant populations and anything less than that is a threat to the host nation's way of life.
Being an old fart, I can remember my grandmother saying all this about Caribbean immigrants back in 1960. It's as wrong now as it was then. Edit: Don't know why the first quote has appeared. Please ignore. We have a holiday home in France (a ruin when we bought it many years ago.) We chose France because we love the country, the people, their way of life, culture and traditions. We learned the language, don't take anything in the way of benefits etc. from them, and have given plenty of business to French shops, restaurants etc. Although we don't live there, we do spend long periods of time there, and the very last thing that would ever enter our minds is that the French people should adapt themselves in any way to accommodate us. Why on earth should they? We chose them, they didn't choose us. |
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'German police have arrested two men suspected of planning an attack on a shopping mall – just days after a terror attack at a Berlin Christmas market.
The suspects, two brothers aged 28 and 31 who were born in Kosovo, were arrested in Duisburg in the industrial Ruhr region in the early hours of Friday'. 'They are suspected of plotting to strike the Centro mall in nearby Oberhausen, in the West German state of North Rhine-Westphalia.' http://news.sky.com/story/german-pol...-plot-10705678 Germany again, why so?? |
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Seeking asylum from Tunisia? Turned out to be a terrorist who murdered..well I never...
An expected result of many poor EU policies. Merkels hug a 'refugee' policy is just ridiculous. Germany showing again how to destroy Europe and its people. Why are Germany always on the wrong side of history? and even more worrying was we following them this time? One day in the future these current lot in charge will all be put on trial for their outrageously irresponsible and criminal actions both at home and abroad. Also, Germany are not even involved militarily in the Middle East or North Africa, making Farage's claims on the issue rather spurious. |
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'Staged' - For what possible purpose?
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she'll need to get busy with morocco and algeria at the same time then ..........as they 're on the "unsafe" list for asylum seekers.
Then we'll need to have a look at our own in UK because we all know they'll be just as bad. Quote:
Indeed but it's worse - each EU member decides which countries it regards as "safe".
so alongside the 3 I mentioned you have the likes of Albania , Montenegro and Kosovo who still have not been classed as safe by Germany........... that's before they even start to drill down to individual screening. only once those countries are deemed "safe" can they fast-tracked home. They're still arguing about that. Quote:
Thank you
I really must get cracking now . I have 32 bags of clothing to sort and food to sort and see what else is needed for the homeless then run to the shops for last moment bargain so can get double for my money and really give them a lovely Christmas and here I am arguing on the WWW about things that dont matter and not doing what does matter a lot to me. Cheers and Merry Christmas to you and yours ![]() |
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I often see this one but do you honestly believe that he would split on his 'brothers'?
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Amri had been in Europe for five years and had already been in jail in Italy, therefore his criminality and terrorism had nothing to do with Merkel's refugee policies.
Also, Germany are not even involved militarily in the Middle East or North Africa, making Farage's claims on the issue rather spurious. |
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Amri had been in Europe for five years and had already been in jail in Italy, therefore his criminality and terrorism had nothing to do with Merkel's refugee policies.
Also, Germany are not even involved militarily in the Middle East or North Africa, making Farage's claims on the issue rather spurious. someone else also asked - why target Germany and why now? Because ISIS said they would. dec 2015- it joined the coalition fight against ISIS - yes, non combat role in Syria, but still spent many Euros on this. a few months later ISIS published a new target list with Germany on it, they even added photos of German targets, landmarks, soft targets etc. naturally, there are other reasons too , no answer's ever that simple ETA - re post above - we can't neatly conflate Amir's personal impulses in 2011 with an evolving ISIS strategy. as of 2016 |
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next time make sure they are deported immediately if there application is denied
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next time make sure they are deported immediately if there application is denied
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Amri had been in Europe for five years and had already been in jail in Italy, therefore his criminality and terrorism had nothing to do with Merkel's refugee policies.
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next time make sure they are deported immediately if there application is denied
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next time make sure they are deported immediately if there application is denied
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Farage is a disingenuous opportunist ass, but Germany are involved in both and IS threatened retaliation on all involved countries.
Immediately is impossible. Their own country has to agree to take them back first and the same as any country, if they don't have a passport or any valid ID they won't consider an application until their identity is proved. |
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Or at very least held in detention until they decide who they are . Anyone with no papers must be detained IMO
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Amri had been in Europe for five years and had already been in jail in Italy, therefore his criminality and terrorism had nothing to do with Merkel's refugee policies.
Also, Germany are not even involved militarily in the Middle East or North Africa, making Farage's claims on the issue rather spurious. It was up to those countries to deport him. The fact that he could travel around Europe with no passport or papers is ridiculous. |
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I was said he was in both countries illegally. He travelled without papers & used various names & nationalities.
It was up to those countries to deport him. The fact that he could travel around Europe with no passport or papers is ridiculous. |
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Amri had been in Europe for five years and had already been in jail in Italy, therefore his criminality and terrorism had nothing to do with Merkel's refugee policies.
Also, Germany are not even involved militarily in the Middle East or North Africa, making Farage's claims on the issue rather spurious. Quote:
That's more of a general issue surrounding issues of deportation laws for non EU criminals. I notice Merkel is saying today that the laws need to be toughened up and much more rigourously and speedily enforced. The borders are not necessarily the problem, but there needs to be much stronger enforcement of laws against anyone who has no right to be in Europe (eg. convicted criminals).
You also refer to "anyone who has no right to be in Europe " - how will they distinguish economic migrants without access to true identities? As for "borders aren't the problem" - even the Guardian seem to accept that due to the current terror risks, they may actually be a big problem. ( As also demonstrated post-Paris, Brussels ....) |
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whilst your earlier post ^ has largely been answered, I'm not following this next one either.
Did you read how many asylum seekers there are in Germany who had no papers? If they have no papers how do the authorities gain info about their criminal history? You also refer to "anyone who has no right to be in Europe " - how will they distinguish economic migrants without access to true identities? As for "borders aren't the problem" - even the Guardian seem to accept that due to the current terror risks, they may actually be a big problem. ( As also demonstrated post-Paris, Brussels ....) Introducing hard borders and customs posts throughout the EU just in order to deter a handful of potential terrorists from moving from country to country (which might not even work) could be a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. By all means there should be rigid enforcement at the external borders but stopping and questioning every single person who wants to travel from France to Belgium or Holland to Germany would be a very drastic step. |
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Since the death of the attacker Merkel has said "Her government's main priority was to protect German citizens, she told journalists, adding that this case had raised "many questions".
"Further changes to our laws and regulations will have to be made," Mrs Merkel said at a news conference." I think the last paragraph is an understatement. I don't doubt that changes will be made, but so far many of the changes which have already been made have been punitive measures against anyone who is critical of the German government's immigration policies. |
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Thank you
I really must get cracking now . I have 32 bags of clothing to sort and food to sort and see what else is needed for the homeless then run to the shops for last moment bargain so can get double for my money and really give them a lovely Christmas and here I am arguing on the WWW about things that dont matter and not doing what does matter a lot to me. Cheers and Merry Christmas to you and yours ![]() Happy Christmas ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Seeking asylum from Tunisia? Turned out to be a terrorist who murdered..well I never...
An expected result of many poor EU policies. Merkels hug a 'refugee' policy is just ridiculous. Germany showing again how to destroy Europe and its people. Why are Germany always on the wrong side of history? and even more worrying was we following them this time? One day in the future these current lot in charge will all be put on trial for their outrageously irresponsible and criminal actions both at home and abroad. It's like they've gone too far the other way now. Merkel will surely get re-elected because the German people mean well and truly believe that it's the right thing to do. But if they carry on offering flowers to immigrants then I can see a point somewhere in the near future where they may react badly and start to go right back the opposite way again. Probably in about 10 years time I reckon. |
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