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A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin.
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GusGus
23-12-2016
Originally Posted by Brandy211:
“I was said he was in both countries illegally. He travelled without papers & used various names & nationalities.

It was up to those countries to deport him.

The fact that he could travel around Europe with no passport or papers is ridiculous.”

Free movement around Europe is the basis of the EU
As far as we are concerned it is already changing, we flew into Spain last September and though we were previously just waved through this time they took finger prints, eye photos, and copied passports
Joan_Ferguson
23-12-2016
Parents of a victim of the truck killer were asked for their thoughts as they visited the scene of the massacre. Their son is now in a coma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdA0qugZNP8&t=0s
flashfiction
23-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Amri had served time in an Italian prison ie. another EU country. There's no way someone like that should even be eligible to make an asylum application and he should have been deported before now.

Introducing hard borders and customs posts throughout the EU just in order to deter a handful of potential terrorists from moving from country to country (which might not even work) could be a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. By all means there should be rigid enforcement at the external borders but stopping and questioning every single person who wants to travel from France to Belgium or Holland to Germany would be a very drastic step.”

Agree that he appears to have been radicalised in Italy, that's why I posted about France & Italy having questions to answer.
Conflicting reports on how he was radicalised- either in prison or targeted by ISIS recruiters around Lampedusa when he was rough sleeping. ( It's only very recently that we sent personnel to monitor at refugee landing points. )

I haven't read anywhere that estimates numbers as "a handful" .
Where numbers of impostor refugees are unknown ( due to so few having bona fide IDs) combined with existent resident nationals ( stats for German "persons of interest" was posted upthread) who can criss cross borders for funding, illegal arms, reconn, attacks then altogether it currently makes free borders a security nightmare with severe political repercussions as we can see.
Germany already re-introduced some border checks but obviously he knew where to avoid on exit from Germany so that has not achieved anything.

There's a reason the Tunisisan took the long route, avoided Aust & Switz in his run back to Italy. Could it be based on
- Switz doesn't allow passport free travel AFAIK
- Aust reimposed selective border checks last year
you can see where I'm going with that when you look at the route he traced......
flashfiction
23-12-2016
Originally Posted by Joan_Ferguson:
“Parents of a victim of the truck killer were asked for their thoughts as they visited the scene of the massacre. Their son is now in a coma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdA0qugZNP8&t=0s”

Thanks for posting that. Awful to watch them trying to suppress their pain on camera though.
Did you find it in German newspapers?
Joan_Ferguson
23-12-2016
[quote=flashfiction;84955971]Thanks for posting that. Awful to watch them trying to suppress their pain on camera though.
Did you find it in German newspapers?[/QUOTE]

No. It appeared on my youtube feed.
Eurostar
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by flashfiction:
“Agree that he appears to have been radicalised in Italy, that's why I posted about France & Italy having questions to answer.
Conflicting reports on how he was radicalised- either in prison or targeted by ISIS recruiters around Lampedusa when he was rough sleeping. ( It's only very recently that we sent personnel to monitor at refugee landing points. )

I haven't read anywhere that estimates numbers as "a handful" .
Where numbers of impostor refugees are unknown ( due to so few having bona fide IDs) combined with existent resident nationals ( stats for German "persons of interest" was posted upthread) who can criss cross borders for funding, illegal arms, reconn, attacks then altogether it currently makes free borders a security nightmare with severe political repercussions as we can see.
Germany already re-introduced some border checks but obviously he knew where to avoid on exit from Germany so that has not achieved anything.

There's a reason the Tunisisan took the long route, avoided Aust & Switz in his run back to Italy. Could it be based on
- Switz doesn't allow passport free travel AFAIK
- Aust reimposed selective border checks last year
you can see where I'm going with that when you look at the route he traced......”

Even if the EU introduced hard borders throughout the union with rigid passport checks, you would still have your homegrown terrorists who would launch attacks in the countries where they live. There has to be a balance and people's lives throughout Europe being disrupted seems a bad trade off (and perhaps a propaganda victory for ISIS).

I'm not sure either I'd trust the likes of Le Pen, Wilders and Farage on this one. They already want a Europe of hard borders and sovereign nation states, so of course they're going to seize on the the issue in the way they have done today.
Grafenwalder
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Joan_Ferguson:
“Parents of a victim of the truck killer were asked for their thoughts as they visited the scene of the massacre. Their son is now in a coma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdA0qugZNP8&t=0s”

Did you read any of the comments posted on that?
koantemplation
24-12-2016
The suspect has been shot dead in Italy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38415287
hufflestuff
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“The suspect has been shot dead in Italy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38415287”

Yeah that's been known for the best part of a day already.
NeverEnough
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Thank you

I really must get cracking now . I have 32 bags of clothing to sort and food to sort and see what else is needed for the homeless then run to the shops for last moment bargain so can get double for my money and really give them a lovely Christmas and here I am arguing on the WWW about things that dont matter and not doing what does matter a lot to me.

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you and yours ”

Hmmmm....

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“What do you want? A medal.”

I think the phrase is probably "conspicuous worthiness".

Originally Posted by francie:
“Always amuses me when people feel there is a need to post stuff like that. "Hey, I'm a good egg" tosh.”



"Recognise me. Recognise me. Recognise my moral authority"

Example 2.

Originally Posted by LakieLady:
“I've never asked, but I'd be very surprised if I wasn't. I work for an organisation that prides itself on challenging prejudice and valuing diversity.”

Congratulations. I work for an organisation that prides itself on 250 years of profitability and billions contributed to the UK coffers in corporation tax.
jjwales
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“They shouldn't have a say in it if that's their country of origin, that's where they should be returned to - no ifs no buts.”

How though, if the country refuses to accept them?
NeverEnough
24-12-2016
It would seem that not all of his family were in shock and surprise at Amri's actions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38427469
Susie_Smith
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“It would seem that not all of his family were in shock and surprise at Amri's actions.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38427469”

I wonder if that's because he was caught red-handed or because he decided to be honest.
testcard
24-12-2016
Terrorism of the home grown variety is still thriving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-38426961
Pumping Iron
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by testcard:
“Terrorism of the home grown variety is still thriving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-38426961”

People like this need to be kept in solitary, as not to radicalise other thick/vulnerable inmates.
Grafenwalder
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Congratulations. I work for an organisation that prides itself on 250 years of profitability and billions contributed to the UK coffers in corporation tax.”

You do realise the bib will be met with much scepticism and for good reason too!!
CSJB
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by testcard:
“Terrorism of the home grown variety is still thriving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-38426961”

Do Eritrean asylum seekers count as home grown ?
Gordon g
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Do Eritrean asylum seekers count as home grown ?”

Why seek aslum in a Country you want to blow up No doubt if they are convicted, once released they will be allowed to stay as it will be too dangerous to send them home.
francie
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“Why seek aslum in a Country you want to blow up:confused: No doubt if they are convicted, once released they will be allowed to stay as it will be too dangerous to send them home.”

Pretty obvious I would have thought.
planets
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by testcard:
“Terrorism of the home grown variety is still thriving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-38426961”

I must have missed Eritrea becoming part of the UK can someone tell me when that happened?
Zeropoint1
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“Why seek aslum in a Country you want to blow up No doubt if they are convicted, once released they will be allowed to stay as it will be too dangerous to send them home.”

Well if you want to blow up a country it's more convenient to live there first and understand how things work and plan your attack.

Plus in the case of soft touch countries like the UK you get free health care, a nice free house and probably free benefits to pay for the campaign of terror... Oh, not forgetting to send some of that free money back to the country that supposedly is to dangerous to live in (but obviously not to dangerous to have holidays in!)
flashfiction
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by CSJB:
“Do Eritrean asylum seekers count as home grown ?”

No, I think he was "grown" in Eritrea.

UK has just taken it off the unsafe countries list, AFAIK. (So no Eritrean has an automatic right.)
Over here in the UK we seem to be processing suspects every month for last couple of years- I appreciate that many end up found not guilty . ( Indeed just out of the 6 arrested, 4 have been released without charge.)
Les Corker
24-12-2016
Why haven't knew named the victims?
Grafenwalder
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Zeropoint1:
“Well if you want to blow up a country it's more convenient to live there first and understand how things work and plan your attack.”

Like this chap? New York born and raised white male Roman Catholic.

Murdered 168 and injured over 600 more.
flashfiction
24-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gordon g:
“Why seek aslum in a Country you want to blow up:confused: No doubt if they are convicted, once released they will be allowed to stay as it will be too dangerous to send them home.”

Unless they are ISIS infiltrators ( where the asylum appn or refugee status is a cover in order to gain entry) I don't think the road to jihad is that simple.
We've had cases where people have been here quite a few years and then suddenly "heeded the call" to murder, due to a combination of poisonous influences. (If it weren't so complicated it would be an easier problem to solve. Hate begets hate though, we can be sure of that.)

No details released yet re. how long this Eritrean suspect was here/his back story.
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