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A growing number of people are asking Germany to award the Polish truck driver with an order of merit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ny-order-merit Also a funding page has been set up for his family. https://www.gofundme.com/van9vwuk?vi...campaign=upd_n |
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A growing number of people are asking Germany to award the Polish truck driver with an order of merit.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ny-order-merit The funding page set up for his family is here. https://www.gofundme.com/van9vwuk?vi...campaign=upd_n |
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I saw on the news earlier that the body of the Italian woman has been flown back to Italy - I believe she was the one who was originally classed as 'missing', despite her phone and travel card being found at the scene soon after the attack.
I also saw an interview with one of Amri's brothers - he said despite being willing to disown him yesterday, he was angry that his brother had been killed instead of taken alive for questioning, as he was merely a 'suspect'. Surely he must know it's highly likely his brother would no doubt still be alive if he hadn't shot one of the police who were about to arrest this 'suspect' for questioning? Conveniently, he didn't mention the fact his brother's DNA had been found plastered all over the hijacked lorry either. He said he wanted his brother's body returned, even if it was just a finger he could keep in his pocket! |
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Because it normally makes the tragedy seem more real.....
No idea if it' s for legal reasons, privacy, cultural (reticence keeps being cited ) etc but about half the dead are not Germans, they are international visitors to Berlin. Some families have made statements, not sure how it works. You could say that not putting human faces to the victims in this case also helps not rock the boat/ political status quo when so many are clamouring to prove a political point but it might be a stretch to say that this was part of the intention. I dunno. |
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I'd be one of them.
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What a fabulous Foundation they've started. I read a day or so ago that someone's started a donation fund for the Polish driver. People are so caring.
Lovely isn't it? Helps in some small way to counteract the evil.
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That's the one I read about, I think the person is himself a truck driver and comes from Yorkshire.
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I'd be one of them.
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People like this need to be kept in solitary, as not to radicalise other thick/vulnerable inmates.
Many of them are highly educated and intelligent. |
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Why seek aslum in a Country you want to blow up
No doubt if they are convicted, once released they will be allowed to stay as it will be too dangerous to send them home. |
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Lovely isn't it? Helps in some small way to counteract the evil.
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To think that you'd have to assume that those same people are actually seeking asylum.
'Mr Mohammed, an Eritrean national who is seeking asylum in the UK', Not sure about the other though, she could have been one at some time and given permission to stay. |
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"Polish driver Lukasz Urban was shot in the head hours before suspected jihadist killer Anis Amri rammed the man's lorry into a crowd, say German media citing a post-mortem examination."
" The conclusions of Mr Urban's post-mortem examination say he was shot in the head between 16:30 (15:30 GMT) and 17:30 and lost a lot of blood, the paper reports. His boss and cousin said he had lost contact with him at around 16:00. The attack on the market at Breitscheidplatz took place just after 20:00, and he may still have been alive at the time in the passenger seat although not capable of grabbing a steering wheel, Bild adds." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38442447 Poor soul xxx |
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It comes as no surprise to anyone that Farage is wetting his knickers at this as it gives him the opportunity to spew some of his twisted hateful bile.
He's already had a dig at Jo Cox'a windower - the vindictive piece of pondlife. Do you hear how sick that sounds? |
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Ok, so by that logic, the lefties were wetting their knickers when little Aylan Kurdi was found dead on the beach?
I didn't get that impression from the words uttered by Farage about the Berlin attack then later accusing Jo Cox's husband of "supporting extremists". |
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An update on the truck attack.
It's been found the truck engaged an electronic auto-braking system after sensing the collision, forcing the truck to a halt. http://www.dw.com/en/automatic-brake...ack/a-36936455 The funding page set up by British trucker David Duncan to help Polish trucker Lukasz Urbans family, has now reached £175,698. ![]() https://www.gofundme.com/van9vwuk |
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Now there's an EU regulation to be thankful for.
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I think most normal people found the news and pictures of little three year old Aylan Kurdi washed up dead on the beach extremely distressing, along with the many other people drowned whilst fleeing war torn Syria.
I didn't get that impression from the words uttered by Farage about the Berlin attack then later accusing Jo Cox's husband of "supporting extremists". Farage has his comedic value, but his true colours shone through with him wetting his knickers over an opportunity for odious soundbites http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/apologise-n...remist-1597447 Quote:
An update on the truck attack.
It's been found the truck engaged an electronic auto-braking system after sensing the collision, forcing the truck to a halt. http://www.dw.com/en/automatic-brake...ack/a-36936455 The funding page set up by British trucker David Duncan to help Polish trucker Lukasz Urbans family, has now reached £175,698. ![]() https://www.gofundme.com/van9vwuk Is it part of a mandatory EU Directive for new builds? Side issue: Do they have airbags too? (just in case I ever go hitching again) |
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Just a technical observation that I wasn't aware Trucks had this safety measure.
Is it part of a mandatory EU Directive for new builds? Side issue: Do they have airbags too? (just in case I ever go hitching again) In 2012, the European Union adopted mandatory regulations requiring all new trucks exceeding 3,500 kilograms be fitted with advanced emergency braking systems. The systems initially alert drivers and then take evasive action. Judging by the condition of the Polish truck it looked fairly new anyway but after reading that article, it's now certain it was no older than four years old and possibly less than that. I'm not sure about airbags in HGV's. Unlike cars i don't think they are a mandatory fitment. Perhaps there is an HGV poster on the forum who could answer this? |
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Obviously the terrorist was unaware too, or they could have ploughed through dozens of Christmas Sheds.
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Obviously the terrorist was unaware too, or they could have ploughed through dozens of Christmas Sheds.
Apart from the shock and grief the truck drivers widow and family must be suffering, i can't help but have sympathy too for his cousin Ariel Zurawski, who owns the truck business. After failing to contact his driver by phone he looked at the truck tracking data to try and see what it was doing. There is an unusual timeline of activity which in his words "looked as though someone was trying to learn how to drive the truck". Knowing what he now knows, he must have asked himself many times since, 'why didn't i contact the police and ask them to investigate'. It's easy with hindsight but i doubt any of us would have reacted differently. Maybe this will bring in more electronic gadgetry for HGV's. |
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I doubt it, since Cyclist CCTV and beepers and better Wing Mirrors haven't been widely adopted yet, in spite of many, many calls for them.
Terrorists would also just change their tactics and avoid modern HGVs too. |
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Yes. From the article,
In 2012, the European Union adopted mandatory regulations requiring all new trucks exceeding 3,500 kilograms be fitted with advanced emergency braking systems. The systems initially alert drivers and then take evasive action. Judging by the condition of the Polish truck it looked fairly new anyway but after reading that article, it's now certain it was no older than four years old and possibly less than that. I'm not sure about airbags in HGV's. Unlike cars i don't think they are a mandatory fitment. Perhaps there is an HGV poster on the forum who could answer this? |
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I doubt it, since Cyclist CCTV and beepers and better Wing Mirrors haven't been widely adopted yet, in spite of many, many calls for them.
Terrorists would also just change their tactics and avoid modern HGVs too. Drivers are also trained about security. I was parked up on a service area in Germany when a Dutch registered truck parked up in front of me. I was puzzled when the driver who was going off for a meal, flung both rear trailer doors wide open and locked them back. The inside was totally empty. Another trucker told me it's a common practice used to dissuade any thieves or migrants from entering the trailer. A simple yet effective anti-theft or stowaway solution! |
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It's elf and safety gorn mad, good job we are leaving the EU and will be able to get rid of such Eurocrat rules.
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A 26yr old Tunisian man has been arrested in connection with it.
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No doubt if they are convicted, once released they will be allowed to stay as it will be too dangerous to send them home.