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A truck has ploughed into a Christmas market in Berlin. |
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I'm not sure it's prejudiced to condemn religious fanatics who want to mow down and pulp everyone from babies in pushchairs to grannies. There wouldn't be any 'fuelling' if Islamic nutters weren't out and about regularly doing their thing.
If it is a Muslim terrorist attack (your words) it will go on an ever-growing list of such atrocities inflicted on people, including other Muslims, out and about peacefully enjoying themselves. Anyway, terrible pictures of that lorry with bits of Christmas tree and decorations tangled on its radiator and broken windscreen. ![]() The sad and terrible thing is it could happen anywhere at any time - SHOCKING! As someone up there ^^ said - they're not into showing their sympathy etc. on the internet and I agree it's all a bit hollow but - my heart goes out to the families of the dead and injured. |
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religion of peace strikes again
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Didn't they say they suspected that it was deliberate? Of course, they can't possibly know until they find out, which basically means asking the driver.
Of course the news should be reported. I never suggested otherwise. What I said is that most news outlets have a vested interest in jumping to conclusions. That is a fact, isn't it? What I also suggested is that we ought to wait before making assumptions, but apparently that's a ludicrous suggestion. "The lorry mounted the pavement". Witness at the scene: It was deliberate. Truck was going along the pavement in the middle of the market, at 40 miles an hour, knocking down stalls, going through people...There was no way it could have come off the road, it wasn't an accident. Another witness: Our hotel is on lockdown. I'm on the 15th floor of hotel and have a very clear view of whats going on. Bodies are being taken away. He went straight into the market where its the busiest. People will come to their own conclusions from what the police, witness and media are saying... |
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Therecare millions of lorries and buses in the World. The only thing that would stop them in their tracks if one was hijacked or stolen, is crash8ng into another vehicle the same weight, or as series of iron bollards, or something.. A 20 or 44 ton lorry will wipe out all in front of it . A normal car or empty Transit van is about 1 1/2 tons or so.
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Can't understand how these markets are not secure with crowds of people for safety after what happened a few years ago with a truck.
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A piece of horrendous news, my condolences to the people at the Christmas Market and indeed the the people of Germany.
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What is being reported is what German police, who are at the scene are telling the media. "From our investigation the attack was deliberate."
"The lorry mounted the pavement". Witness at the scene: It was deliberate. Truck was going along the pavement at 40 miles an hour, knocking down stalls... Also, that witness has no idea why it happened, only what happened. |
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Depends on how a vehicle crashes surely. It appears that the passenger in the vehicle did die in the crash
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Can't understand how these markets are not secure with crowds of people for safety after what happened a few years ago with a truck.
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No - murdering, fanatical nut jobs strike again!
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It would mean building up high kerbs everywhere, and literally millions of steel deep-set bollards to make all these areas safe in the West.
All that wouldnt stop a suicide killer driving a 44 ton lorry at speed into a coach, or bus, or up the kerb of a side street into a school gates etc.. Its hopeless. These bastards walk amongst us. |
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Can't understand how these markets are not secure with crowds of people for safety after what happened a few years ago with a truck.
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It's very unusual for a perpetrator to survive a terrorist incident like this, they normally stage it in a way that ensures they die in the attack ie. provoke the police by opening fire on them or deliberately run into a hail of bullets at some point after the attack.
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Can't understand how these markets are not secure with crowds of people for safety after what happened a few years ago with a truck.
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Police have arrested the truck driver. Co-driver is one of the dead.
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It would mean building up high kerbs everywhere, and literally millions of steel deep-set bollards to make all these areas safe in the West.
All that wouldnt stop a suicide killer driving a 44 ton lorry at speed into a coach, or bus, or up the kerb of a side street into a school gates etc.. Its hopeless. These bastards walk amongst us. |
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Considering that the lorry has a Polish number plate, I assume you are referring to Catholicisim.
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Considering that the lorry has a Polish number plate, I assume you are referring to Catholicisim.
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Considering that the lorry has a Polish number plate, I assume you are referring to Catholicisim.
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I suppose the issue with this location is the police presence would have been minimal if any at all. With Nice they had police there already who were chasing the truck and already shooting at it. Here the truck probably came to a halt and nothing was really there to take him on.
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Truck had Polish number plates.
The fact that the prefix GDA signifies that the truck was registered in Gdansk, Poland, approximately 500 klms. from Berlin means very little. I suspect that when the dust settles, the driver will be unlikely to have a name like Krysczinski, or Stakowski. There is very little that the authorities can do to combat this kind of terrorist attack, (if as seems likely it IS that), other than real super dooper intelligence. |
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Indeed, but my point would be that Islamist terrorists normally launch an attack with the inttention of dying and it's nearly unheard of them for them to be taken alive. They will resist arrest and do everything to try and provoke the police into shooting them dead.
Edit: Sky now suggesting there may be doubt the arrest IS the suspect. Sky seem to be jumping to conclusions suggesting the second person in the truck was also an attacker. Could be the original truck driver for all they know. And interestingly Sky have seemingly run out of things to talk about and cut away to other news. I guess it's understandable. They were in full speculation mode. |
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What are you expecting them to do? Close down all of the roads and erect huge barriers around them? Have you been to a big Christmas Market?
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