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Old 19-12-2016, 21:17
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Tend to agree. These murderers are so hell bent on martyrdom and taking as many innocents with them I doubt there is a deterrent.
Things can be done to deter such attacks; the difficulty is that terrorists simply change their target. As they do not apparently care who they kill (children, elderly, disabled, etc.), then any building or area frequented by people will do.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:18
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Sad news, just before Christmas too.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:18
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What is the point of these people doing this, they must be mentally ill?

If they are really doing it for isis, then why, it doesn't achieve anything, a solo attack isn't going to wipe out germany...
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:18
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Considering that the lorry has a Polish number plate, I assume you are referring to Catholicisim.
But it's tyres were Bridgestone. Must be Japanese fanatics.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:19
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Yes true.

Sky seem to be jumping to conclusions suggesting the second person in the truck was also an attacker. Could be the original truck driver for all they know.
They always will.

This is the most reliable to stay on, https://twitter.com/PolizeiBerlin_E?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw At least they won't be making wild assumptions!
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:19
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What are you expecting them to do? Close down all of the roads and erect huge barriers around them? Have you been to a big Christmas Market?
Sky news reports that the police have blocked roads round Xmas markets in Birmingham. They're using vehicles. I got the impression this was done as a precaution before the Berlin attack although I may have picked that up wrongly.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:19
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This is just one horrible horrible day. For the first time in my adult years, I am actually very fearful for this world of ours.

This latest atrocity breaks my heart, I care not who or why it was carried out, my heart, and deep thoughts are with the families of the loved ones who have been murdered in such a barbaric vile way.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:19
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Im wondering if the passenger in the lorry was already dead by the perpetrator- the lorry driver killed? Taken along from when the lorry was stolen/highjacked to prevent his body being found before this mass murder happened?
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:20
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How did the passenger die?
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:22
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Im wondering if the passenger in the lorry was already dead by the perpetrator- the lorry driver killed? Taken along from when the lorry was stolen/highjacked to prevent his body being found before this mass murder happened?
bit confused by this:

"One person was detained. The cab of the truck was found empty."
if the passenger was dead.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:22
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Yep ............absolutely dreadful.

The sad and terrible thing is it could happen anywhere at any time - SHOCKING!

As someone up there ^^ said - they're not into showing their sympathy etc. on the internet and I agree it's all a bit hollow but - my heart goes out to the families of the dead and injured.
Me too Penny. I got a bit cross with my daughter-in-law today because she's been avoiding a quick pre-Christmas girly day out into central London (a client of mine wants to hand over a designer brand gift and invited me to bring a friend for the same treat).
It turned out her reluctance was the usual "but what about terrorists?" stuff. Now I have no answer, but gave myself a verbal slap for fussing as there are now many families in an absolutely terrible, devastating situation this Christmas.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:22
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What is the point of these people doing this, they must be mentally ill?

If they are really doing it for isis, then why, it doesn't achieve anything, a solo attack isn't going to wipe out germany...
Makes the public reluctant to attend mass events in public. People with children rightly won't do anything that has the slightest possibility of putting their children in danger.

It is wrong I agree but that is what it serves to do sadly.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:22
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What is the point of these people doing this, they must be mentally ill?

If they are really doing it for isis, then why, it doesn't achieve anything, a solo attack isn't going to wipe out germany...
No. But dozens and dozens of attacks over years kill hundreds and hundreds; maim many many more for the rest of their lives; cause stress for millions of people for many years... it causes huge expense in policing; surveillance which in turn demands more and more funding etc...

Its called death by a thousand cuts
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:23
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I suppose the issue with this location is the police presence would have been minimal if any at all. With Nice they had police there already who were chasing the truck and already shooting at it. Here the truck probably came to a halt and nothing was really there to take him on.
I think the Christmas markets are heavily policed but mainly to stop suicide bombers. The reports say that the truck was being driven into the market at speed. Even if the police were able to shoot out the tyres ( this I understand is extremely difficult) or shoot the driver, the truck would still continue to travel a distance before crashing. An impossible situation all round
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:23
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Yes true.

Edit: Sky now suggesting there may be doubt the arrest IS the suspect.

Sky seem to be jumping to conclusions suggesting the second person in the truck was also an attacker. Could be the original truck driver for all they know.

And interestingly Sky have seemingly run out of things to talk about and cut away to other news. I guess it's understandable. They were in full speculation mode.
I was certainly puzzled when I heard the suspect had been arrested......these attacks are nearly always suicide missions.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:23
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They always will.

This is the most reliable to stay on, https://twitter.com/PolizeiBerlin_E?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw At least they won't be making wild assumptions!
Moreover, they are urging people to "Stay home and do not spread rumors". Sage advice.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:24
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bit confused by this:



if the passenger was dead.
I must have misheard? I thought a body was in the cab. If so , ignore my post
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:24
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They always will.

This is the most reliable to stay on, https://twitter.com/PolizeiBerlin_E?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw At least they won't be making wild assumptions!
Sky News are simply reporting what eyewitnesses say that the attack drove right through the pedestrianised section hitting person after person and that is it unlikely to be accidental, also that the owner of the lorry says he thinks it has been highjacked.

Sky report it as they see it and update as new information comes through, their brand of news is as it breaks, the BBC is a different format. Choose what you prefer, but I like all the information coming in to be shared, they do warn of what is and isn't confirmed.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:24
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What is the point of these people doing this, they must be mentally ill?

If they are really doing it for isis, then why, it doesn't achieve anything, a solo attack isn't going to wipe out germany...
It does exactly what they want . Instills fear , shocks , frightens and saddens us .
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:26
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I must have misheard? I thought a body was in the cab. If so , ignore my post
no, no, i was thinking they were reporting that the passenger was dead but the cab was empty.

i was wondering how they know he was the passenger.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:26
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No shit. Try re-reading my posts.
How about you try to be a little less rude then?
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:26
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Warning: Aftermath video. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=20a_1482181359
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:27
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Things can be done to deter such attacks; the difficulty is that terrorists simply change their target. As they do not apparently care who they kill (children, elderly, disabled, etc.), then any building or area frequented by people will do.
Exactly so no deterrent, nothing can stop their murder sprees. They'll always find ways to carry on.
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:28
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They always will.

This is the most reliable to stay on, https://twitter.com/PolizeiBerlin_E?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw At least they won't be making wild assumptions!
They may not give full story either, as their aim will be to keep the public calm...try not to anger locals into protesting etc
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Old 19-12-2016, 21:28
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I'd be helping people not going around filming it, but it does look like the death toll will be much, much higher.
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