Originally Posted by J-B:
“Quality post Aar, I could have wrote it myself. I probably did according to some members.
Thanks.”
“Quality post Aar, I could have wrote it myself. I probably did according to some members.
Thanks.”
What's with all the hate towards EastEnders?
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I can understand why people are negitive, the drop in quailty happened over the space of 1/2 months. I have not watched more than 2 episodes over the last 3 weeks and i have seen people on other social media platforms come out the woodwork to criticize eastenders, and these are the type of people who usual try not get "negitive" over soaps publicly....
But of course there are some people who may not see the shows slight "changes" as a massive problem....
But of course there are some people who may not see the shows slight "changes" as a massive problem....
Originally Posted by Aaron_Silver:
“Different people like different things therefore it matters not what any of the soaps do they will always be heavily criticised by somebody, if you're enjoying it great ignore those criticising it. Those criticising it may be fans or trolls. Fans are entitled to criticise if they are true fans and praise as well as criticise, the rest are trolls imo.
I am still not convinced on SOC, however I thought tonight's episode was beautiful and one of the best of recent times.”
“Different people like different things therefore it matters not what any of the soaps do they will always be heavily criticised by somebody, if you're enjoying it great ignore those criticising it. Those criticising it may be fans or trolls. Fans are entitled to criticise if they are true fans and praise as well as criticise, the rest are trolls imo.
I am still not convinced on SOC, however I thought tonight's episode was beautiful and one of the best of recent times.”
I agree. I've never been bothered by posters who frequently criticise EE and that goes for the other soaps I watch. I find that a lot of the criticisms can be spot on, other times it can be highly exaggerated. Either way, I don't care, that's their opinion. I'm just too much of a nice bloke to get angry at a fellow poster for trashing my favourite soap opera
. I just don't have it in me to be honest 
.I don't think these posters set out to be "haters" or anything - they just want the show to improve, and, so, much of the criticism comes from a place of pure frustration. And I totally understand where they're coming from, in that sense, as I haven't genuinely enjoyed the show on a consistent basis for a long time (before SOC's arrival). But I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying the show.
If I'm enjoying a soap, I'll say it. If I'm not enjoying a soap, I'll criticise it. Simple. Doesn't matter a jot to me what other people think.
Personally I just enjoy soaps for what they are.
Originally Posted by mw0390:
“because people were spoilt under DTC's constant shocks and over the top drama, i much prefer the show now under SOC”
“because people were spoilt under DTC's constant shocks and over the top drama, i much prefer the show now under SOC”
DTC made his fair share of massive mistakes, I didn't like quite a few things he did so we weren't spoilt by him.
SOC has the right foundations, he just needs a little drama going on around it all.
Originally Posted by M_J2:
“I can understand why people are negitive, the drop in quailty happened over the space of 1/2 months. I have not watched more than 2 episodes over the last 3 weeks and i have seen people on other social media platforms come out the woodwork to criticize eastenders, and these are the type of people who usual try not get "negitive" over soaps publicly....
But of course there are some people who may not see the shows slight "changes" as a massive problem....”
“I can understand why people are negitive, the drop in quailty happened over the space of 1/2 months. I have not watched more than 2 episodes over the last 3 weeks and i have seen people on other social media platforms come out the woodwork to criticize eastenders, and these are the type of people who usual try not get "negitive" over soaps publicly....
But of course there are some people who may not see the shows slight "changes" as a massive problem....”
I totally respect your view as regards not enjoying the show but what's the issue with those who don't think the show has massive problems?
I fail to see why you have to get personal.
It's not that bad. Nothing great or that, but certainly far better than Corrie at the moment, which is a disgrace and nearly unwatchable now.
Originally Posted by Kenzie70:
“It's not that bad. Nothing great or that, but certainly far better than Corrie at the moment, which is a disgrace and nearly unwatchable now.”
“It's not that bad. Nothing great or that, but certainly far better than Corrie at the moment, which is a disgrace and nearly unwatchable now.”
Corrie a disgrace?
that's interesting I'll leave it at that. This isn't really the place to discuss it
Originally Posted by CherryRose:
“SOC has the right foundations, he just needs a little drama going on around it all.”
“SOC has the right foundations, he just needs a little drama going on around it all.”
I think this is probably the fairest representation of the show right now. The intentions seem good, the foundations are in place but that's all they are. Other than that there seems to be no major plot plot at play, everything seems to be moving towards Christmas and New Year which is worrying, what happens after that? Do we then go back to no main plot again working towards...Easter?
Originally Posted by Kenzie70:
“It's not that bad. Nothing great or that, but certainly far better than Corrie at the moment, which is a disgrace and nearly unwatchable now.”
“It's not that bad. Nothing great or that, but certainly far better than Corrie at the moment, which is a disgrace and nearly unwatchable now.”
EastEnders has been the only soap I can bear to watch at the moment, though with this current Ashley storyline on ED being so well done I think I'll pick it up again. Shame I have to agree, but Corrie's been dreadful lately.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“There (obviously) has always been hate for the show, However since SOC took over the role of EP most people were excited then as soon as his Episodes came out the hate came in. I want to point out that a few people not all but a few are just total hypocrites who asked for what SOC is giving during DTC's tenure and ever since SOC stepped foot in the door they continue complaining and NOW ask for DTC to return. It is great to have an opinion and to criticise a show where it has gone wrong, But i just don't get why people purposely hate on a show even if it was a good quality episode. People seem to always want the opposite of what the current (and past) EP's have been doing...
So what is the reason for the constant hate?”
“There (obviously) has always been hate for the show, However since SOC took over the role of EP most people were excited then as soon as his Episodes came out the hate came in. I want to point out that a few people not all but a few are just total hypocrites who asked for what SOC is giving during DTC's tenure and ever since SOC stepped foot in the door they continue complaining and NOW ask for DTC to return. It is great to have an opinion and to criticise a show where it has gone wrong, But i just don't get why people purposely hate on a show even if it was a good quality episode. People seem to always want the opposite of what the current (and past) EP's have been doing...
So what is the reason for the constant hate?”
There is none, it's all subjective really.
Some on here just love a moan.
Day after day a thread goes up "SOC is ruining EastEnders"
"EastEnders is not real. It's an insult" Yes really!
When I read stuff like this I just don't take them seriously.
There's no sense or any intelligient sort of thought process.
It's empty vessells making their noise.
If a new Producer came in tomorrow, all guns blazing, blowing shit up, murders, gangsters, sex, the very same people would be "Oh it's unrealistic. Bring back community and families being happy at Christmas and dancing around the Square. It's too miserable. I want happy clappyness!"
Best to ignore this type of poster, because the majority of the time, posts about EastEnders whether I agree personally or not with the opinion, are usually written with some idea of thought and basic level of intelligience.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“There (obviously) has always been hate for the show, However since SOC took over the role of EP most people were excited then as soon as his Episodes came out the hate came in. I want to point out that a few people not all but a few are just total hypocrites who asked for what SOC is giving during DTC's tenure and ever since SOC stepped foot in the door they continue complaining and NOW ask for DTC to return. It is great to have an opinion and to criticise a show where it has gone wrong, But i just don't get why people purposely hate on a show even if it was a good quality episode. People seem to always want the opposite of what the current (and past) EP's have been doing...
So what is the reason for the constant hate?”
“There (obviously) has always been hate for the show, However since SOC took over the role of EP most people were excited then as soon as his Episodes came out the hate came in. I want to point out that a few people not all but a few are just total hypocrites who asked for what SOC is giving during DTC's tenure and ever since SOC stepped foot in the door they continue complaining and NOW ask for DTC to return. It is great to have an opinion and to criticise a show where it has gone wrong, But i just don't get why people purposely hate on a show even if it was a good quality episode. People seem to always want the opposite of what the current (and past) EP's have been doing...
So what is the reason for the constant hate?”
I respect the fact that others will have a divergent opinion to mine.
I felt DTCs tenure was sensationalised and destroyed backstory that should never have been touched. I felt his return of Kathy and Peggy's death were not done for the good of the show.
However, since SOC has taken over an inertia and and a cloying sentimentality has replaced the sensationalism. The quality of the writing is poor and sentimentality is in fact being sold as "character diven" drama. It's not. Some go as far as to say EastEnders has gone back to how it was in the 1980s. They are wrong. In the 1980s the show did not resort to sensationalism although it was at time sensational, but it was contemporary, gritty, well written, not sentimental and had extraordinary characters. That is not the case under SOC to date.
Originally Posted by Keibro:
“There is none, it's all subjective really.
Some on here just love a moan.
Day after day a thread goes up "SOC is ruining EastEnders"
"EastEnders is not real. It's an insult" Yes really!
When I read stuff like this I just don't take them seriously.
There's no sense or any intelligient sort of thought process.
It's empty vessells making their noise.
If a new Producer came in tomorrow, all guns blazing, blowing shit up, murders, gangsters, sex, the very same people would be "Oh it's unrealistic. Bring back community and families being happy at Christmas and dancing around the Square. It's too miserable. I want happy clappyness!"
Best to ignore this type of poster, because the majority of the time, posts about EastEnders whether I agree personally or not with the opinion, are usually written with some idea of thought and basic level of intelligience.”
“There is none, it's all subjective really.
Some on here just love a moan.
Day after day a thread goes up "SOC is ruining EastEnders"
"EastEnders is not real. It's an insult" Yes really!
When I read stuff like this I just don't take them seriously.
There's no sense or any intelligient sort of thought process.
It's empty vessells making their noise.
If a new Producer came in tomorrow, all guns blazing, blowing shit up, murders, gangsters, sex, the very same people would be "Oh it's unrealistic. Bring back community and families being happy at Christmas and dancing around the Square. It's too miserable. I want happy clappyness!"
Best to ignore this type of poster, because the majority of the time, posts about EastEnders whether I agree personally or not with the opinion, are usually written with some idea of thought and basic level of intelligience.”
BIB - where was that said? Does someone think it's real?
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“When I read stuff like this I just don't take them seriously.
There's no sense or any intelligient sort of thought process.
It's empty vessells making their noise.”
“When I read stuff like this I just don't take them seriously.
There's no sense or any intelligient sort of thought process.
It's empty vessells making their noise.”
Do you expect anyone to respect anything you say after this? You undermine other peoples opinion by undermining the intelligence of people whose view you oppose. Now that's a very weak argument.
Originally Posted by AuntieSoap:
“BIB - where was that said? Does someone think it's real?
Do you expect anyone to respect anything you say after this? You undermine other peoples opinion by undermining the intelligence of people whose view you oppose. Now that's a very weak argument.”
“BIB - where was that said? Does someone think it's real?
Do you expect anyone to respect anything you say after this? You undermine other peoples opinion by undermining the intelligence of people whose view you oppose. Now that's a very weak argument.”
No it's just some people come up with some stupid excuses.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“No it's just some people come up with some stupid excuses.”
“No it's just some people come up with some stupid excuses.”
So no argument... an example based on something that wasn't said.
Hard to knock others for their opinion when you do that. Especially when many are elaborating as to why they feel how they do. Just because you thoroughly disagree doesn't make an opinion either "an excuse" or "stupid"
Originally Posted by AuntieSoap:
“So no argument... an example based on something that wasn't said.
Hard to knock others for their opinion when you do that. Especially when many are elaborating as to why they feel how they do. Just because you thoroughly disagree doesn't make an opinion either "an excuse" or "stupid"”
“So no argument... an example based on something that wasn't said.
Hard to knock others for their opinion when you do that. Especially when many are elaborating as to why they feel how they do. Just because you thoroughly disagree doesn't make an opinion either "an excuse" or "stupid"
”
Your putting words in my mouth again like yesterday....
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“Your putting words in my mouth again like yesterday....”
“Your putting words in my mouth again like yesterday....”
Just responding to your defence of something that was made up. Why did you need to step in there?
Storylines like Bex and Stakki, Phil, Lee all engaging but there's too much community Archers style crap like the nativity, the play, that country church they keep going to which looks like no church ever seen in the East End.
As for the double drowning - that will be farcical and completely unnecessary as Ronnie is already planning to leave the area and Roxie could just go off to Ibiza again.
As for the double drowning - that will be farcical and completely unnecessary as Ronnie is already planning to leave the area and Roxie could just go off to Ibiza again.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“No it's just some people come up with some stupid excuses.”
“No it's just some people come up with some stupid excuses.”
Adam who are you to say what is and isn't stupid.
If someone says Eastenders/corrie /Emmerdale is shit without any constructive critique then you'd have a point because it's clear that those comments are just wind up comments but where people are explaining why they don't enjoy the show, then their opinions are certainly not stupid.
I am enjoying the show and I've explained why I do. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me but if they called my opinion stupid then I'd be pretty hacked off. The same applies to those who I've mentioned above.
There needs to be respect for all constructive opinions whatever they are.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“Why don't you for once give a detailed description of what's so bad huh? Or are you just hating on the show for no valid reason?”
“Why don't you for once give a detailed description of what's so bad huh? Or are you just hating on the show for no valid reason?”
Alright. The characters are boring and unlikeable, there is no tension, and the vast majority of scenes are trivial and don't contribute to plot development.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Adam who are you to say what is and isn't stupid.
If someone says Eastenders/corrie /Emmerdale is shit without any constructive critique then you'd have a point because it's clear that those comments are just wind up comments but where people are explaining why they don't enjoy the show, then their opinions are certainly not stupid.
I am enjoying the show and I've explained why I do. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me but if they called my opinion stupid then I'd be pretty hacked off. The same applies to those who I've mentioned above.
There needs to be respect for all constructive opinions whatever they are.”
“Adam who are you to say what is and isn't stupid.
If someone says Eastenders/corrie /Emmerdale is shit without any constructive critique then you'd have a point because it's clear that those comments are just wind up comments but where people are explaining why they don't enjoy the show, then their opinions are certainly not stupid.
I am enjoying the show and I've explained why I do. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me but if they called my opinion stupid then I'd be pretty hacked off. The same applies to those who I've mentioned above.
There needs to be respect for all constructive opinions whatever they are.”
I agree completely. We can have absolutely diametrically opposed views but can get on really well. We can argue a point and not be fighting.
I get hacked off when people say an opposing view is stupid or that people are merely "hating".
Originally Posted by SuperSoaper:
“Alright. The characters are boring and unlikeable, there is no tension, and the vast majority of scenes are trivial and don't contribute to plot development.”
“Alright. The characters are boring and unlikeable, there is no tension, and the vast majority of scenes are trivial and don't contribute to plot development.”
Add to that that it's completely unrealistic, cloyingly sentimental and poorly written. A shadow of what it once was.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Adam who are you to say what is and isn't stupid.
If someone says Eastenders/corrie /Emmerdale is shit without any constructive critique then you'd have a point because it's clear that those comments are just wind up comments but where people are explaining why they don't enjoy the show, then their opinions are certainly not stupid.
I am enjoying the show and I've explained why I do. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me but if they called my opinion stupid then I'd be pretty hacked off. The same applies to those who I've mentioned above.
There needs to be respect for all constructive opinions whatever they are.”
“Adam who are you to say what is and isn't stupid.
If someone says Eastenders/corrie /Emmerdale is shit without any constructive critique then you'd have a point because it's clear that those comments are just wind up comments but where people are explaining why they don't enjoy the show, then their opinions are certainly not stupid.
I am enjoying the show and I've explained why I do. I don't expect everyone else to agree with me but if they called my opinion stupid then I'd be pretty hacked off. The same applies to those who I've mentioned above.
There needs to be respect for all constructive opinions whatever they are.”
People have explained now yes but early on yesterday and before that they were saying the same excuses with no explanation now they have explained. Also where have I ever said I expect others to agree with me.
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“People have explained now yes but early on yesterday and before that they were saying the same excuses with no explanation now they have explained. Also where have I ever said I expect others to agree with me.”
“People have explained now yes but early on yesterday and before that they were saying the same excuses with no explanation now they have explained. Also where have I ever said I expect others to agree with me.”
You haven't done a lot to assert your opinion... just been quite dismissive of others
I've just returned from a 3 month hiatus, and whilst it was that bad then it made me switch off for 3 months, nothing could have prepared me for the shite I've witnessed over the last couple of days.
Strangely however I feel it will deliver a strong Xmas day episode.
But mark my words, if it doesn't, it's lost this viewer for good.
Strangely however I feel it will deliver a strong Xmas day episode.
But mark my words, if it doesn't, it's lost this viewer for good.
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