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Old 20-12-2016, 03:34
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Over the years we Brits have put up with a lot of bad habits crossing 'the pond' but the camel's back was finally broken in last week's episode of Casualty.

Noel was talking about the price of train fares and his present for his daughter, Honey.

He said, "I had intended to 'bring' it to her".

NO, NO, NO, Noel! You weren't there with her, you weren't talking to her or someone in the immediate vacinity of your daughter, so you wanted to TAKE it to her.

It's bad enough in books & films set in the states but this is step too far.

I've flinched everytime I've heard daytime presenters talking about taking goods to 'ockshun'. If they're going to start 'bringing' things there, it's quite possible my head might explode.

So, Casualty writers, I don't know what you were thinking of, but, please, stamp it out now!
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Old 20-12-2016, 06:36
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Er okayyyyyyy.
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Old 20-12-2016, 07:26
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You joined 6 years ago, only to make your first ever post about an aspect of dialogue ! Amazing
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Old 20-12-2016, 08:53
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You joined 6 years ago, only to make your first ever post about an aspect of dialogue ! Amazing
Someones been at the christmas sherry haha !
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:33
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You joined 6 years ago, only to make your first ever post about an aspect of dialogue ! Amazing
Looks like they finally "Grasped the nettle!"

I can quite understand the annoyance though.
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:34
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You joined 6 years ago, only to make your first ever post about an aspect of dialogue ! Amazing
Well obviously everything has been okay up until now
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Old 20-12-2016, 09:57
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Frankly amazed at the reaction to the OP. Agree 100%. Drives me mad too.

"If he would have done" something rather than "If he had done" something is another one.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:14
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So, Casualty writers, I don't know what you were thinking of, but, please, stamp it out now!
I'm sure the writers could care less.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:16
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I'm sure the writers could care less.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:22
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Maybe...the writers do script it that way as it's the character of Noel to speak that way?

Anyway...

Some Christmas present drone, will hit ETs spacecraft on Christmas Day, that will crash land on a train in Holby, which will bounce off a bus, that will crash into a cyclist, who will hit a milkflot, delivering milk to Noel. Noel will survive all that but have an ingrowing toenail that's very painful.

In Holby City however they will not notice a thing as the doctors and nurses are playing doctors and nurses in the storeroom.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:26
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The writers are just reflecting a trend presumably, as people are saying these things. Words that come out of 60 million odd mouths are awash with all manner of dialects, accents, inaccuracies, imperfections, and adopted phrases and language. There are many of these turning up in accident and emergency I don't doubt- patients and staff.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:28
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For better or worse language evolves, otherwise we'd still be using Shakespeare's English.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:53
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Well call me a heathen but I'm as likely to say I'll bring it to you as I am to say I'll take it, as long as the person understands my meaning I am happy.

I just wish bring or take was all I had to worry about
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:54
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You joined 6 years ago, only to make your first ever post about an aspect of dialogue ! Amazing
The poster is correct though. We gave the Americans the english language and having mangled it up they then export it back. Some of the words they use and the way the pronounce them fair makes my toes curl.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:56
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For better or worse language evolves, otherwise we'd still be using Shakespeare's English.
This must be the most ironic post I've ever read on the forum.
We ARE still using some of Shakespeare's English as he is well known for inventing new words, and if there was any one person who contributed more to the evolution of the English language it might be Shakespeare himself.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:57
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Well call me a heathen but I'm as likely to say I'll bring it to you as I am to say I'll take it, as long as the person understands my meaning I am happy.

I just wish bring or take was all I had to worry about
If you were talking to the person in question then your statement wouldn't be incorrect.
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Old 20-12-2016, 10:59
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This must be the most ironic post I've ever read on the forum.
We ARE still using some of Shakespeare's English as he is well known for inventing new words, and if there was any one person who contributed more to the evolution of the English language it might be Shakespeare himself.
Last time I checked he wasn't American though was he? This isn't about inventing words it's about how you use them i.e. context etc.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:20
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I have to agree with the OP.

I see far too many times on DS some posters try to defend illiteracy as evolution of the language.
No, when somebody doesn't know how to articulate themselves by choosing words which aren't appropriate for what they mean to say, that is the person not understanding what they are saying.

If anyone here has children how would you feel if you sent them to school and in English lessons the teacher just said to the class, "Don't worry about it, use whatever words you feel like, it doesn't matter"?

Have you ever been on the phone to speak to a customer service adviser of a company and can get no headway because the person on the other end of the line is a terrible communicator?
A few years ago surveys apparently revealed that having a poor command of English would put off around 75% or over of employers from hiring those people.
Is that really what parents want for their children? Or would they rather tell their kids "Don't worry about it, just talk how you feel like it. Tell your English teacher that you're evolving the English language, that'll shut them up".

Almost all these examples of bad English are just people who speak without understanding what they are actually saying. It's not as if they're being playful with language and creating interesting new words. They're for the most part using words which already exist but using them badly. They haven't been creative with language, they've simply chosen the wrong words to use due to sloppy thinking. They haven't added anything new to the language.

Linguistics probably play an important part in how we actually think. To encourage children to be intellectually sloppy is just a sad sight to witness. Why wouldn't parents want to encourage children to have a command of the language?
I might be wrong but I suspect that lots of parents are just blindly defending their children for lazy thinking because they want to protect them. They can't seriously think that their child's misuse of the English language is really a valuable contribution to the evolution of the English language can they?

Of course no one can stop people from saying whatever they want to say. But I can guarantee that when some kid is providing an important contribution to the English language some other kid is going to a good school, getting good grades, and will go on to have more career options in life.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:32
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Sounds like the OP is the one who is 'bringing it'

Seriously though - writers should give their characters dialogue that they would realistically use rather than what is 'correct'.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:34
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Over the years we Brits have put up with a lot of bad habits crossing 'the pond' but the camel's back was finally broken in last week's episode of Casualty.

Noel was talking about the price of train fares and his present for his daughter, Honey.

He said, "I had intended to 'bring' it to her".

NO, NO, NO, Noel! You weren't there with her, you weren't talking to her or someone in the immediate vacinity of your daughter, so you wanted to TAKE it to her.

It's bad enough in books & films set in the states but this is step too far.

I've flinched everytime I've heard daytime presenters talking about taking goods to 'ockshun'. If they're going to start 'bringing' things there, it's quite possible my head might explode.

So, Casualty writers, I don't know what you were thinking of, but, please, stamp it out now!
You may not like it but it reflects the way some people speak. So it's a reflection of real life. I could maybe accept and concur with you if it was a factual programme rather than a drama that purports to reflect real life.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:38
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I'm sure the writers could care less.
If they had had some advance warning os the OP's linguistic ire I am sure they would of done it right

Well call me a heathen but I'm as likely to say I'll bring it to you as I am to say I'll take it, as long as the person understands my meaning I am happy.
Tell that to Abba! I don't think they would have had quite the same success with "Winner Brings It All" except perhaps in one of those 'top most brilliant rubbish translations' shows
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:40
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Sounds like the OP is the one who is 'bringing it'

Seriously though - writers should give their characters dialogue that they would realistically use rather than what is 'correct'.
That is a fair point. It doesn't necessarily mean that the writer would use the same language as the character they are writing for would. But in this case I don't believe it.
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Old 20-12-2016, 11:59
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I totally agree with this. This has been a bug bear of mines for years.
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Old 20-12-2016, 12:13
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And the next discussion topic is...

Haitch!
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Old 20-12-2016, 12:31
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They've waited 6 years for this post
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