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Old 20-12-2016, 12:42
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People talk like that these days, unfortunately.

They may infuriate us all at times but I do think that most writers on tv are pretty good at getting the level of grammer correct. Posh people talk posh and the rest don't.
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Old 20-12-2016, 12:46
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I know it's not Casualty related but the one that annoys me most is AX instead of ask
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:20
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Not as annoying as "I forgot it at home".

That sounds really odd.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:44
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Oh, for goodness sake, I have written on here many times. Just because I float in and out according to my needs & lifestyle doesn't mean I've waited 6 years to speak.

I used to post a lot under another id but I started getting some creepy personal messages so disappeared and reinvented myself.

Obviously, you couldn't know that, but even if I had written once in 6 years, would that matter? Am I not 'pulling my weight' or something?

Yes, language evolves, but it doesn't need to sink to American sloppiness - why can't they tell the difference between bring & take anyway? I'm sure it wasn't like that when I was a child - did someone somewhere suddenly say, "I tell you what? We're not going to use the word 'take' any more, it's just too much effort to teach, we'll just use 'bring' for everything"

As another poster said, Noel isn't American and if people are picking things up from television programmes as being the norm - which does happen - then I would rather they didn't use that one, thanks.

Of course I have bigger things to worry about than bring/take but that doesn't mean I should just ignore everything else. I only put it on a forum, I haven't started an online petition or contacted Teresa May.

With regards to the English language, I was somewhat startled by an official letter I received from an insurance company telling me they were changing their name slightly. Under FAQs - in answer to 'are you opening a separate company' they had replied 'no, we aren't'. Aren't?! Their English teachers must be cringing.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:52
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Over the years we Brits have put up with a lot of bad habits crossing 'the pond' but the camel's back was finally broken in last week's episode of Casualty.

Noel was talking about the price of train fares and his present for his daughter, Honey.

He said, "I had intended to 'bring' it to her".

NO, NO, NO, Noel! You weren't there with her, you weren't talking to her or someone in the immediate vacinity of your daughter, so you wanted to TAKE it to her.

It's bad enough in books & films set in the states but this is step too far.

I've flinched everytime I've heard daytime presenters talking about taking goods to 'ockshun'. If they're going to start 'bringing' things there, it's quite possible my head might explode.

So, Casualty writers, I don't know what you were thinking of, but, please, stamp it out now!
BIB; just some of the catalogue of actual errors in your post. You'll note that this does not include the phrase you have taken exception to as that is perfectly grammatical English which you have fallaciously assigned bad form to as a result of slavish adherence to made up rules that don't actually exist except in the minds of so called grammarians from the 18th Century. Pot, kettle, black or what?!
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:54
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Frankly amazed at the reaction to the OP. Agree 100%. Drives me mad too.

"If he would have done" something rather than "If he had done" something is another one.
Another what? Perfectly grammatical English phrase?
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:57
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With regards to the English language, I was somewhat startled by an official letter I received from an insurance company telling me they were changing their name slightly. Under FAQs - in answer to 'are you opening a separate company' they had replied 'no, we aren't'. Aren't?! Their English teachers must be cringing.
What's wrong with that? Q: Are you opening a separate company? A: No, we aren't (I'm assuming they used the correct punctuation, even though you obviously felt it wasn't necessary to get your point across. See how it works? ) Is it the contraction that bothers you? If you wanted to be ultra-critical, you could say that 'we aren't' is superfluous, but it's just a linguistic device to make the English language seem less harsh and abrupt.

ETA - ah, are you thinking that 'aren't' just means 'am not'? It doesn't. It means 'am not' or 'are not' depending on context. Yep, someone certainly should be cringing about now.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:06
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The poster is correct though. We gave the Americans the english language and having mangled it up they then export it back. Some of the words they use and the way the pronounce them fair makes my toes curl.
This is totally untrue. The mangled version of the English that the first settlers of America took with them is here in England after it was tarted up to be more French/Latin in the 18th and 19th centuries. Hence the various movements here to reclaim English as an Anglo-Saxon language by eradicating daft Romance spelling and relying less on French and Latin words. The Americans didn't invent the spelling of 'color', for example. That's exactly how it would have been spelt here until Francophile Scots dictionary writers in Edinburgh got their hands it.. It is 'colour' which is the invention, purely to imitate the French 'couleur'.

Ally yourselves with a bunch of arrogant posh Scots intellectuals with a chip on their shoulders about out-Englishing the English by all means. But let's never pretend that American English is in any way inauthentic or inferior.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:14
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I have to agree with the OP.

I see far too many times on DS some posters try to defend illiteracy as evolution of the language.

No, when somebody doesn't know how to articulate themselves by choosing words which aren't appropriate for what they mean to say, that is the person not understanding what they are saying.



A few years ago surveys apparently revealed that having a poor command of English would put off around 75% or over of employers from hiring those people.
Is that really what parents want for their children? Or would they rather tell their kids "Don't worry about it, just talk how you feel like it. Tell your English teacher that you're evolving the English language, that'll shut them up".

Almost all these examples of bad English are just people who speak without understanding what they are actually saying. It's not as if they're being playful with language and creating interesting new words.

Linguistics probably play an important part in how we actually think. To encourage children to be intellectually sloppy is just a sad sight to witness.

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Do you want me to detail the mistakes made in the errors highlighted or do you think with your great command of the language you might be ale to work them out for yourself? Oh, the irony!
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:17
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If they had had some advance warning os the OP's linguistic ire I am sure they would of done it right


Tell that to Abba! I don't think they would have had quite the same success with "Winner Brings It All" except perhaps in one of those 'top most brilliant rubbish translations' shows
Abba? Good lord! You really need to catch up on the lyrics if you think that it's any example for good English!

Meanwhile you've raised a completely nonsensical comparison with a totally different usage of 'take' but, you know, thanks for playing!
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:19
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I totally agree with this. This has been a bug bear of mines for years.
My God. You couldn't make it up! Who knew that explosive devices cared so much about the English language?
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:30
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Aren't?! Their English teachers must be cringing.
Aren't we the picky little pedant? What the heck's wrong with "aren't"? The Plain English Society has been campaigning for less formal language in communications from the likes of insurance companies for years.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:59
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But let's never pretend that American English is in any way inauthentic or inferior.
Certainly not, but 'archaic' and 'outdated' often apply. And 'whoosh' if we are insisting on absolute accuracy when mentioning the grammaticalistic characterisation of prediscromulationary song titles.


Aren't we the picky little pedant?
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:04
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Physician, heal thyself
Ah, but doctors make the very worst patients!

(Bait and ..... )
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:34
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Tackle? That's an angular periodical. isn't it?
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:39
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Tackle? That's an angular periodical. isn't it?
Well, that's just Total Carp!
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:41
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if you think that it's any example for good English
Remind me, who was it you were correcting?
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:42
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OP should have gotten over this issue by now. I mean, how often has this kinda thing happened this season?

Emergency Room writers should touch base, going forward.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:49
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Remind me, who was it you were correcting?
An inadvertent usage, I admit, but not actually incorrect on examination. Using 'example' in the sense of 'pattern' or 'precedent', 'for' is entirely appropriate. Sorry!
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:15
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This is totally untrue. The mangled version of the English that the first settlers of America took with them is here in England after it was tarted up to be more French/Latin in the 18th and 19th centuries. Hence the various movements here to reclaim English as an Anglo-Saxon language by eradicating daft Romance spelling and relying less on French and Latin words. The Americans didn't invent the spelling of 'color', for example. That's exactly how it would have been spelt here until Francophile Scots dictionary writers in Edinburgh got their hands it.. It is 'colour' which is the invention, purely to imitate the French 'couleur'.

Ally yourselves with a bunch of arrogant posh Scots intellectuals with a chip on their shoulders about out-Englishing the English by all means. But let's never pretend that American English is in any way inauthentic or inferior.
What rubbish - they can't even spell the words correctly - tire as in car 'tyre', color instead of colour and where does nite come from? The list is almost endless. We are not discussing the use of Anglo Saxon english rather the more modern version.
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:16
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Another real head exploder is starting a sentence with the word 'SO' - truly truly dreadful grammar.
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:19
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I agree with OP. Things have gradually gotten worst and worst.
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:24
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:27
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I suppose that if script writers are going to adapt scripts to reflect how english is spoken today it will make their jobs a deal easier.

They will simply have to write the work "like" a hundred times, then put a few other words in between. That is how many people appear to speak english the days, and this, along with the "so" habit alluded to above drives me absolutely nuts!
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Old 20-12-2016, 16:29
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Another real head exploder is starting a sentence with the word 'SO' - truly truly dreadful grammar.
Yes, if there is anything that does irritate me its that.

It has infuriatingly caught on.
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