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Legal sector 'at risk' without Brexit guarantees
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Mark_Jones9
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Now it is the legal sector warning of the impact of Brexit

Legal sector 'at risk' without Brexit guarantees

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38371971

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My bolding”

The £26 billion, 370,000 people are both figures for every solicitor, barrister and all other people working in the UK for law firms or departments in commerce, industry, government and not-for-profit sectors.

If they all leave what will the police do when a suspect asks for a solicitor!
How will people sell houses!
How will companies make contracts!
Brexit truly will be the end of the UK as we know it
Beanybun
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Don't worry your dustman isn't setting foreign policy and for all you know your dustman may have voted to remain.

The fact is a referendum is just what it is and doesn't require MPs to represent us as the decision is taken by the electorate.”

It was an advisory referendum, despite attempts to spin this otherwise.

Also, there is copious evidence (some of which has been trashed in other threads, presumably having been prepared by "experts" (as opposed to fishmongers)), as to the social and educational makeup of the typical brexiter.
Doctor_Wibble
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“This sort of CT conspiracy to the effect of "lawyers feather their own nest and perpetuate this by making life unnecessarily complex by pulling the wool over our foolish eyes"”

Actually I can't believe you are so piqued that you needed to spend an entire paragraph on it!

Quote:
“... illustrates you understand little of the big commercial world and puts you up there with 9/11 "truthers".”

Calm down dear! Is 'cynical throwaway line' a novel concept?

Quote:
“In your world, lawyers are all huxters, doctors are all quacks and experts of whatever sort are fools, unless and of course they conveniently share your world view.”

I have no idea what world you are talking about unless it's the imaginary one that you believe people inhabit if they don't share your point of view.

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“ My dustman is entitled to a viewpoint the same as me but with all due respect, I don't want him setting foreign policy, or requiring my MP to do so.”

You mean you resent the fact that your vote isn't somehow worth more than his.
Beanybun
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Doctor_Wibble:
“Actually I can't believe you are so piqued that you needed to spend an entire paragraph on it!


Calm down dear! Is 'cynical throwaway line' a novel concept?


I have no idea what world you are talking about unless it's the imaginary one that you believe people inhabit if they don't share your point of view.


You mean you resent the fact that your vote isn't somehow worth more than his.”

Blimey. Impressive.

A veritable template for all future evasive, passive aggressive, post factual posts.

Do you work for Breitbart?
allaorta
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Blimey. Impressive.

A veritable template for all future evasive, passive aggressive, post factual posts.

Do you work for Breitbart? ”

I think he got you to rights and that you should cut your losses by quitting while you're losing.
Beanybun
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“I think he got you to rights and that you should cut your losses by quitting while you're losing.”

Have you guys read any Orwell?

You really, really should.

Suffice to say, writing a bunch of words isn't the same as saying something of merit, or analytical, or probative value.

Solid post-factual stuff mind...
Thiswillbefun
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Don't worry your dustman isn't setting foreign policy and for all you know your dustman may have voted to remain.

The fact is a referendum is just what it is and doesn't require MPs to represent us as the decision is taken by the electorate.”

The decision wasn't taken by the electorate.
The opinion of the electorate was asked so it could be taken into consideration.
allaorta
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“The decision wasn't taken by the electorate.
The opinion of the electorate was asked so it could be taken into consideration.”

Yeah and guess what was decided.
Jellied Eel
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“This is a reference to the cross border enforcement of laws.”

Yup. I know this..

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“Simple example; if I have a contact under UK law for the provision of widgets to a client in Poland and secure a judgement here for their breach of contract, I need to enforce it in Poland. Or vice versa, dependent on the terms of said contract.”

Yup. I know that as well. So my widget money doesn't arrive. I instruct counsel to get me a judgement. They come back from court saying "Congratulations, we won!"

"Great!" I say. "So where's my money?". And the lawyer gives me a large bill for their services and tells me my money's still in Poland.. But they do have a Polish office that can attempt collection, for a quite reasonable fee and percentage..

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“I'm guessing you have no idea how difficult and expensive and sometimes impossible it is to enforce contracts in cross border jurisdictions, or why this is so very important to the UK economy. The EU has made this easy, within its borders.”

Oh no it hasn't. And pretty much anyone will tell you that there's a vast gulf between winning a judgement and collecting any money owed. Hence why I prefer to spend legal fees on getting tight contracts drafted that include firm payment schedules that minimise my exposure to any non-payment.
Mark_Jones9
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“The decision wasn't taken by the electorate.
The opinion of the electorate was asked so it could be taken into consideration.”

The Conservative party manifesto 2015
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“It will be a fundamental principle of a future Conservative Government that membership of the European Union depends on the consent of the British people – and in recent years that consent has worn wafer-thin. That’s why, after the election, we will negotiate a new settlement for Britain in Europe, and then ask the British people whether they want to stay in the EU on this reformed basis or leave. David Cameron has committed that he will only lead a government that offers an in-out referendum. We will hold that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect the outcome. ”

Tassium
20-12-2016
There are winners/losers in any political decision.

It's not a bad thing, neither is it a good thing. It's just a thing.
Doctor_Wibble
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Do you work for Breitbart? ”

Managing to cram me into the same pigeonhole as them is something that will fascinate psychologists for years to come.
MargMck
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“I hope you realise that we are leaving the EU, no matter how many threads you post.”

This is one of The Big Questions of our Time.
Beanybun
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jellied Eel:
“Yup. I know this..



Yup. I know that as well. So my widget money doesn't arrive. I instruct counsel to get me a judgement. They come back from court saying "Congratulations, we won!"

"Great!" I say. "So where's my money?". And the lawyer gives me a large bill for their services and tells me my money's still in Poland.. But they do have a Polish office that can attempt collection, for a quite reasonable fee and percentage..



Oh no it hasn't. And pretty much anyone will tell you that there's a vast gulf between winning a judgement and collecting any money owed. Hence why I prefer to spend legal fees on getting tight contracts drafted that include firm payment schedules that minimise my exposure to any non-payment.”

Then I'm delighted you've come to recognise the value of lawyers.

My bills in the post.
allaorta
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“Then I'm delighted you've come to recognise the value of lawyers.

My bills in the post.”

Sloppy, could do better but then you're a lawyer.
BrokenArrow
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Beanybun:
“It was an advisory referendum, despite attempts to spin this otherwise.”

Can you point me to the section in the referendum act where it states it was to be advisory?

I'm having trouble finding that bit.
Happ Hazzard
21-12-2016
I'm sure we won't see Lawyers homeless in the streets begging for change anytime soon. The EU has been a pipeline of money for them, it's one of the main reasons why Out won.
B-29
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by TheEngineer:
“Now it is the legal sector warning of the impact of Brexit

Legal sector 'at risk' without Brexit guarantees

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38371971

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My bolding”

Want to start a donation fund?,
" give generously to these poor underpaid pillars of society , they face an uncertain future without posh houses, BMW's and Caribbean holidays, please donate a minimum of £500 immediately and put a smile back on the face of these poor? wretches."
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by B-29:
“Want to start a donation fund?,
" give generously to these poor underpaid pillars of society , they face an uncertain future without posh houses, BMW's and Caribbean holidays, please donate a minimum of £500 immediately and put a smile back on the face of these poor? wretches."”

I'd prefer to think about it for a while.
Beanybun
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by BrokenArrow:
“Can you point me to the section in the referendum act where it states it was to be advisory?

I'm having trouble finding that bit.”

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

Look harder!

Yes, it should be implemented, but detailed terms are entirely up for grabs.
Aetius_Maralas
21-12-2016
Lobbyists produce report proving that they exists for a reason.

People blindly believe lobbyists report.

Lobbyists prove why they went into the business in the first place.
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