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Old 21-12-2016, 15:43
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You know how it works.
Anything other than fawning adoration of Corbyn is treated as an 'attack' on the glorious leader.

Funny how it's different when it's done to someone you don't approve of.
When have I ever posted anything in support of Corbyn?
If you are going to lash out then try and get close to the target.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:45
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The reality is that he is only an embarrassment to those who love the EU and its parliament.
Significant numbers in the UK have been voting in him and more and more UKIP MEPs for years - until they became our largest party there. At any time if enough people were "embarrassed" they could have instead voted in pro-EU candidates in the elections, but they did not.
Those who have been voting UKIP to the top of the UK EU league know he only goes there to point a finger, lift stones and rant. So his voting record in what many of us see as Fat Cat Toytown Parliament is of absolutely no consequence, and the pay has been in return for keeping the Leave flag flying.
That may be unpalatable to you, but it's what has actually been happening.
Less than 10% of the electorate voted for Farage and his band of fools.
So that's over 90% who didn't vote for them in the eu elections.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:51
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It is bizarre when you consider a lot of the brexiters are of the flag waving patriotic type yet here they are wanting to possibly damage their county just so they can stick two fingers up at someone. Dosen't sound very patriotic to me!
Goodness knows why you have aligned this with patriotism. It's a political campaign to get out of the EU, not a trip to Buckingham Palace to see Liz and fam on the balcony.
Remainers think leaving will damage the country, Leavers think staying is, and will continue, to damage the country. Either side can contain those who claim to be patriots, republicans or simply interested in whether they think money given over to the EU is well spent.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:51
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It's all fun and games. The same old bile and moaning about him being popular. Yeah, he's popular because people are sick and tired of having their voices suppressed by the easily offended. They hate racism, unless it's against a white person. Hypocrites the lot of them.
Who has had their voice suppressed apart from nasty wee racists and hate Preachers?
What would you like to say that you feel has been suppressed?
Or do you just want to be allowed to insult anyone you want with whatever words you choose without being challenged?
Is that why you feel sick because your opportunity to be racist and horrible is being denied to you?
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:54
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Less than 10% of the electorate voted for Farage and his band of fools.
So that's over 90% who didn't vote for them in the eu elections.
But it was enough, wasn't it, to do the trick.
Do tell why all the horrified EU lovers haven't been coming out in their droves (or even in a decent trickle) to rescue their now precious parliament from Farage and the rest of the Eurosceptics.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:55
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But this thread hasn't got anything to do with Tony Blair. Nice try at deflection though
No it has not it was an example of what I meant. The opinion of how one does a job is not the same as the relative importance of that job. In your opinion Farage does a useless job in the EU parliament but that has no relevance to whether or not the position of an MEP should be considered of importance to people in this country.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:57
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Farage and Ukip always had the option of not taking their MEP pay and expenses and not taking their seats in the EU Parliament, but they didn't and looked as if they were only in it for the money.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:58
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Of course the EU parliament counts, it's just that Farage doesn't think it does, even though he takes the money. In terms of voting he is 744/747 with only 40.25% of votes (the three below didn't vote at all), in influence he isn't ranked and he has no registered activities (opinions or reports). He is an embarrassment to the people of the UK for his attitude to his job.
So an MEP deserves consideration from the people and institutions of the country, which was the point. How Farage does that job is irrelevant to the point.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:58
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Who has had their voice suppressed apart from nasty wee racists and hate Preachers?
What would you like to say that you feel has been suppressed?
Or do you just want to be allowed to insult anyone you want with whatever words you choose without being challenged?
Is that why you feel sick because your opportunity to be racist and horrible is being denied to you?
Your reply is exactly my point. You're first to attack and assume I want to be "racist and horrible".

You have suppressed my voice before I have even had a chance to say anything. You have already decided for me, what I am, what I want to say, and what I feel.

YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:01
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Farage and Ukip always had the option of not taking their MEP pay and expenses and not taking their seats in the EU Parliament, but they didn't and looked as if they were only in it for the money.
See it went over your head as well. The people who voted anti-EU candidates and Tory Eurosceptics to the supposed parliament didn't want them to piously sit on their hands. They were sent there - and happily paid - to lift stones and raise the roof.
Otherwise we'd have been paying people who loved the gravy train.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:01
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Does Hope Not Hate actually have extremist links as I was under the impression it was Unite Against Facism that was the questionable one.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:02
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Is Cox an extremist or not ?
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:03
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Goodness knows why you have aligned this with patriotism. It's a political campaign to get out of the EU, not a trip to Buckingham Palace to see Liz and fam on the balcony.
Remainers think leaving will damage the country, Leavers think staying is, and will continue, to damage the country. Either side can contain those who claim to be patriots, republicans or simply interested in whether they think money given over to the EU is well spent.
Not really answering my point are you? I'll try it more simply for you. How is sticking up two fingers to and jeering someone we have to negotiate with, helpful to the country?
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:04
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Your reply is exactly my point. You're first to attack and assume I want to be "racist and horrible".

You have suppressed my voice before I have even have a chance to say anything. You have already decided for me, what I am, what I want to say, and what I feel.

YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!
I get your point but think that "suppressed" is the wrong word. Your point of view on this forum is given as much value as the FM you're responding to and you have just as much of a right to voice your opinion.

I think the main issue revolves around the idea of grouping a section of society under one label, or at least giving the impression that a group of people are being dismissed as "racist" etc. I think we need to be more explicit in who we are labelling as "racist" or "undemocratic" if we're going to have a proper debate.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:05
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Farage and Ukip always had the option of not taking their MEP pay and expenses and not taking their seats in the EU Parliament
Why would they do that?........ When they have a chance to expose the EU for what it is..... Bankrupt of imagination, Bankrupt of ideas, Bankrupt of money and corrupt to the very core. I sent them to Brussels to disrupt it, take its money and ultimately cause its collapse......... very close to getting my 3 wishes.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:07
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No it has not it was an example of what I meant. The opinion of how one does a job is not the same as the relative importance of that job. In your opinion Farage does a useless job in the EU parliament but that has no relevance to whether or not the position of an MEP should be considered of importance to people in this country.
No, that's not my opinion at all. How he does his job is irrelevant to the point I was making. The point I was making is he dosen't do his job, full stop. You can yell about the completely irrelevant Tony Blair (who I wasn't a fan of either) all you like but he still got up and went to work at the job he was elected to do so isn't comparable to Nigel here, at all.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:07
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I get your point but think that "suppressed" is the wrong word. Your point of view on this forum is given as much value as the FM you're responding to and you have just as much of a right to voice your opinion.

I think the main issue revolves around the idea of grouping a section of society under one label, or at least giving the impression that a group of people are being dismissed as "racist" etc. I think we need to be more explicit in who we are labelling as "racist" or "undemocratic" if we're going to have a proper debate.
I don't have a chance to have a point of view. If you want to talk about anything, you get a label slapped on you, and that's that.

It's end of the conversation, because if you say anything which doesn't fit their narrow minded view of you. The post is swiftly ignored until it's safe to label you again. It's pathetic.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:10
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Not really answering my point are you? I'll try it more simply for you. How is sticking up two fingers to and jeering someone we have to negotiate with, helpful to the country?
Because it was the rolling stone that gathered the moss that led to the referendum result. In the view of those who wished to leave the EU it was a worthy weapon, but not the only one.

The people they lampooned in the EU 'parliament' will not be big players in the negotiations, if at all, and in future won't have to listen to our representatives laughing at them.
The truth is that the MEP bit of this is also just a fragment of the UK's poor relationship with the EU - for years we have rejected their currency and Schengen, oppose further political integration, seek special deals/ vetoes and regularly demand our money back.
That lot will have created more of an atmosphere than Farage telling some French MEP "You're not laughing now."
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:13
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No, that's not my opinion at all. How he does his job is irrelevant to the point I was making. The point I was making is he dosen't do his job, full stop. You can yell about the completely irrelevant Tony Blair (who I wasn't a fan of either) all you like but he still got up and went to work at the job he was elected to do so isn't comparable to Nigel here, at all.
Oh but he did /does. He did exactly what the people who bothered to go out and vote for him wanted him to do.
Think of it as like strident Remainer MP David Lammy, who regularly announces he will do everything in his power to stop Brexit because that's what the majority of his constituents apparently want, regardless of Labour's position on Brexit.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:17
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I don't have a chance to have a point of view. If you want to talk about anything, you get a label slapped on you, and that's that.

It's end of the conversation, because if you say anything which doesn't fit their narrow minded view of you. The post is swiftly ignored until it's safe to label you again. It's pathetic.
You posts in this thread are proof that no one is suppressing your free speech. The only one trying to do that is yourself by whining that people shouldn't be allowed to disagree with you.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:19
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Oh but he did /does. He did exactly what the people who bothered to go out and vote for him wanted him to do.
Think of it as like strident Remainer MP David Lammy, who regularly announces he will do everything in his power to stop Brexit because that's what the majority of his constituents apparently want, regardless of Labour's position on Brexit.

And yet another completely irrelevant comparison. David Lammy shows up to work, Nigel Farage does not. It really is that simple.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:22
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You posts in this thread are proof that no one is suppressing your free speech. The only one trying to do that is yourself by whining that people shouldn't be allowed to disagree with you.
Hardly whining, it's called the truth. People wonder why "people like Farage" are popular, that's your answer.

Again, where did I say people shouldn't disagree with me? Another assumption and label.

I had my point proved straight away. If you want a voice, it's shut down by assuming you want to be hateful and racist.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:23
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I don't have a chance to have a point of view. If you want to talk about anything, you get a label slapped on you, and that's that.

It's end of the conversation, because if you say anything which doesn't fit their narrow minded view of you. The post is swiftly ignored until it's safe to label you again. It's pathetic.
I think we all have to face these people, particularly with the way that forums like DS work which allows certain comments made by posters to be ignored whereas others are torn apart as the language of the post is misinterpreted. I still think the problem is related to how we use language and lazily group people together, and is nothing to do with suppression.

You posts in this thread are proof that no one is suppressing your free speech.
This first sentence of BooRadley75's post pretty much sums up what I mean regarding suppression.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:23
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Is Cox an extremist or not ?
So nobody appears to know
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:24
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So nobody appears to know
Clearly he isn't, by any measure.
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