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Old 21-12-2016, 16:52
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Did the resolution call for those in favour of poaching to say aye? I do not think so. Nazis?
Farage voted to try and block laws to combat ivory poaching.
Nazis - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...opean-grouping
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:01
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Farage voted to try and block laws to combat ivory poaching.
Nazis - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...opean-grouping
The Ivory one - is it this one where The EU, not Farage, upset The African Elephant Coalition by opposing a global ivory trade ban, but a WWF expert said they were right?
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...obal-ivory-ban
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:03
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:03
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Why do you feel it necessary to call Mr Cox St Brendan?
Just typical kipper spite.
More delightful hypocrisy.

You label people defending Farage as fawning to him and label him as their 'glorious leader'. Yet when someone takes a similar attitude to Brendan suddenly it's 'kipper spite'.

Surely you are exhibiting anti kipper spite or is your tone somehow beyond question?
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:08
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Yes, that was in 2014, and then in 2016 the European Commission itself decided to oppose all three motions at a CITES conference calling for a worldwide ivory ban, and were supported by the WWF.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...obal-ivory-ban

But it sounds good, doesn't it... Farage responsible for elephant torture, when the real story is something else altogether.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:12
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More delightful hypocrisy.

You label people defending Farage as fawning to him and label him as their 'glorious leader'. Yet when someone takes a similar attitude to Brendan suddenly it's 'kipper spite'.

Surely you are exhibiting anti kipper spite or is your tone somehow beyond question?
There is indisputable evidence to back up what I posted.
This forum has been swamped with defence of Farage. no matter what he's said or done.
But this is the post truth era so that will be ignored or denied.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:16
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There is indisputable evidence to back up what I posted.
This forum has been swamped with defence of Farage. no matter what he's said or done.
But this is the post truth era so that will be ignored or denied.
A ridiculous cliche, but talking of which... check out how Farage killed the elephants. Or not. ^^^^^^^^
And for the record I don't actually like Farage or many UKIP positions, but recognise his achievements within the EU system and when it comes to obtaining the referendum.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:32
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A ridiculous cliche, but talking of which... check out how Farage killed the elephants. Or not. ^^^^^^^^
And for the record I don't actually like Farage or many UKIP positions, but recognise his achievements within the EU system and when it comes to obtaining the referendum.
Well the record of your posts on ds show that you have managed to keep your dislike of Farage very well hidden.
Don't drag me into the elephants graveyard. Have said nothing about this on here and don't intend to.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:42
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There is indisputable evidence to back up what I posted.
This forum has been swamped with defence of Farage. no matter what he's said or done.
But this is the post truth era so that will be ignored or denied.
Yeah, I think you are rather deliberately missing the point. That being that you use sarcasm to make the point that to some, Farage is beyond reproach. When someone else uses the same sarcasm to highlight that Brendan Cox seems to be beyond reproach, that's suddenly spite.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:42
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.This forum has been swamped with defence of Farage. no matter what he's said or done.
But you'd disagree with anything he says on principle. If he said the sky was blue you'd say it wasn't. Personally I think he speaks a lot of sense. When he first said that immigration was out of control all those years ago everyone slagged him off and called him racist. Since then more and more people have been adopting his position. He also said that when the EU only had countries with similar health standards and generally similar living standards the EU worked fine. It was only when we started letting in eastern European countries that things started going wrong. It went wrong because their lifestiles and wages were far worse than ours so what do they do, they all come over to one of the richer EU countries like the UK, Germany or France and we end up with housing shortages and wages being compressed.

As for Brendan Cox, I don't know anything about Hope not Hate but I doubt Farage would have come up with a comment like that if there was no truth in it because he knows how sensitive the nation is about what happened to Jo Cox so telling lies about either Jo Cox or her husband would be suicide for him politically.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:56
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Well the record of your posts on ds show that you have managed to keep your dislike of Farage very well hidden.
Don't drag me into the elephants graveyard. Have said nothing about this on here and don't intend to.
Glad you are interested in my posting history. I had a wee google to see if I could find myself doing more than acknowledging the role Farage has played in getting us to Brexit, and so far zilch.
When a poster described him as a "political nonentity" I said that was ridiculous and listed what he had engineered, and after an interview with Brillo felt "Farage avoided all the potential banana skins and came across as clear and steady. His point on British workers having their wages depressed is what is holding together a strong Brexit vote in that part of the electorate that usually votes Labour, including many trade union members."
It's not a total dislike anyway, more a grudging regard and recognition of his significant achievements.

The elephant's graveyard was used as an example of "post truth" stuff (which you raised) from the very same page of this thread.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:11
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Your comprehension skills seem to be somewhat lacking.

I think you'll find that people were saying that in the days leading up to the referendum most people tried their hardest to avoid using the Brexit/Farage connection to Jo Cox death because it would have been unseemly and it would have been used against the remain campaign saying they were influencing the vote.

The referendum is over the case has been heard and I don't think there's much doubt that the Brexit rhetoric had a big influence on the murderer is there? Or are judges one of these 'experts' we don't listen to anymore?
Wow, for someone already shown to talk a lot of dramatic nonsense, you've got a cheek talking about other people's lack of comprehension. You don't even have the principles to follow through on what you write.

People didn't try their hardest to avoid putting the two together, many actively did. Polly Toynbee was explicit in the connection and I've highlighted where Chuka tried to convince everyone that he didn't want to conflate the two by connecting the two on four separate occasions in his comments.

Jo Cox's funeral was milked for all it's worth by the media to the point that it felt like a state funeral. Some might have been noble enough to not directly connect the two but the publicity and coverage was fairly explicit in what it was indirectly trying to say.

Just like few directly said that the West was killing small immigrant children on beaches but here's some pictures that wouldn't normally be released to burn into your brain...

We've got posters on here claiming that Farage caused the murder of Jo Cox and if those hysterical accusations aren't answered by either Farage or people on this board, this nonsense will be able to slip into the history rewriting that is going on.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:25
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Well I can't remember exactly what I posted at that time - what I do know is that I blamed farage's poster and the entire Brexit, xenophobic, hyperbole for winding up an already crazed man to commit such a crime.

I make no excuses for that whatsoever. I don't sit here like butter wouldn't melt in my mouth at all - I call a scumbag a scumbag - and the support for Farages nasty, spiteful dig at Brendan Cox is pretty scummy too.
You do know that the poster was only unveiled on the morning of her murder. Is there any evidence that Mair actually saw the poster or are you just claiming that it influenced him to help advance your belief?
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:28
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I really find people voting him into this job bizarre for wanting him to do that. As they want us to exit the EU, how on earth do they think that will help to make it go as smoothly as possible and renegotiate a new deal with the EU if Nigel has been putting their backs up?
Because if he and others like him weren't in the EU telling us what was going on, it would all be smoothed under the carpet. People democratically voted for him in the EU elections so that he would be an agitator, a thorn in the side and a commentator on the nonsense that was going on inside the EU.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:29
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Wow, for someone already shown to talk a lot of dramatic nonsense, you've got a cheek talking about other people's lack of comprehension. You don't even have the principles to follow through on what you write.

People didn't try their hardest to avoid putting the two together, many actively did. Polly Toynbee was explicit in the connection and I've highlighted where Chuka tried to convince everyone that he didn't want to conflate the two by connecting the two on four separate occasions in his comments.

Jo Cox's funeral was milked for all it's worth by the media to the point that it felt like a state funeral. Some might have been noble enough to not directly connect the two but the publicity and coverage was fairly explicit in what it was indirectly trying to say.
The publicity and coverage was because an MP being murdered while in office is thankfully an extraordinary event. It was not trying to say anything other than that.

And I don't hold Farage responsible for her death.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:35
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Clearly he isn't, by any measure.
Is it a bit like Corbyn and his links with the IRA and PLO
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:38
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But you'd disagree with anything he says on principle. If he said the sky was blue you'd say it wasn't. Personally I think he speaks a lot of sense. When he first said that immigration was out of control all those years ago everyone slagged him off and called him racist. Since then more and more people have been adopting his position. He also said that when the EU only had countries with similar health standards and generally similar living standards the EU worked fine. It was only when we started letting in eastern European countries that things started going wrong. It went wrong because their lifestiles and wages were far worse than ours so what do they do, they all come over to one of the richer EU countries like the UK, Germany or France and we end up with housing shortages and wages being compressed.

As for Brendan Cox, I don't know anything about Hope not Hate but I doubt Farage would have come up with a comment like that if there was no truth in it because he knows how sensitive the nation is about what happened to Jo Cox so telling lies about either Jo Cox or her husband would be suicide for him politically.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:42
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You do know that the poster was only unveiled on the morning of her murder. Is there any evidence that Mair actually saw the poster or are you just claiming that it influenced him to help advance your belief?
Like some tipping point that finally pushed him over the edge after years of being exposed to a xenophobic rhetoric?
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:47
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Farage and Ukip always had the option of not taking their MEP pay and expenses and not taking their seats in the EU Parliament, but they didn't and looked as if they were only in it for the money.
They were voted by people to go and do the very thing that they did. They weren't voted into the EU parliament to then not go to the EU parliament.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:53
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So there isn't bile in this thread? There aren't hypocrites? Oh no, how terrible of me to say such a thing. How that automatically means I must want to be hateful and racist beats me.
Have you ever thought that, if you constantly defend a guy who has outright racist views, who uses reimagined Nazi propaganda to promote his views, and who cites a racist as his role model, and if you don't see his views in any way as racist, then it may raise questions as to why you don't see the blatant racism?
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:56
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And yet another completely irrelevant comparison. David Lammy shows up to work, Nigel Farage does not. It really is that simple.
The 'work' that Farage does in the EU parliament is representing the people that voted him into the job. It's harrying, it's reporting on what's going on and it's making the opinion of the majority of people that voted for him be heard in the EU. It's not about attending meetings, signing tick boxes and agreeing quotas.

When people talk about having employee representatives on the executive board of a company, it's not so that they can co-sign off the accounts is it? It's to act as a vigilant pair of eyes to make sure that the board has transparency to it's workforce.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:58
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You do know that the poster was only unveiled on the morning of her murder. Is there any evidence that Mair actually saw the poster or are you just claiming that it influenced him to help advance your belief?
He'd been researching her movements beforehand so he knew when and where to find her. But it makes a much better and more disgusting (and sadly typical from some on here) accusation to say he saw a poster and suddenly went crazy.

Because if he and others like him weren't in the EU telling us what was going on, it would all be smoothed under the carpet. People democratically voted for him in the EU elections so that he would be an agitator, a thorn in the side and a commentator on the nonsense that was going on inside the EU.
The name of the party he was standing for was a bit of a giveaway. Then again I suppose anyone who voted for him were thick, had been misled and didn't know what they were doing
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:00
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Have you ever thought that, if you constantly defend a guy who has outright racist views, who uses reimagined Nazi propaganda to promote his views, and who cites a racist as his role model, and if you don't see his views in any way as racist, then it may raise questions as to why you don't see the blatant racism?
Why don't you give a link to a direct quote from Farage where he states these blatant racist views he holds ?

I know you will probably struggle with the definition of racist so here is the dictionary definition to help you :

having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

I look forward to your reply
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:00
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Like some tipping point that finally pushed him over the edge after years of being exposed to a xenophobic rhetoric?
He was carrying a "remain" leaflet at the time, maybe that was what finally pushed him over the edge? Remain to. blame for Cox's death!!!!!


Or....


We could just stop trying to second guess what was going on in his head and caused him to do it based on nothing more than what we reckon.
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Old 21-12-2016, 19:01
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Have you ever thought that, if you constantly defend a guy who has outright racist views, who uses reimagined Nazi propaganda to promote his views, and who cites a racist as his role model, and if you don't see his views in any way as racist, then it may raise questions as to why you don't see the blatant racism?
Seriously you, and others like you, need to wind your necks in. I am sick to death of people like you playing the racist card, when you clearly have no idea whatsoever the full meaning of racist. It is lazy responding, and usually because people like you are empty vessels, have nothing but bile to spew because people have a different view to your liberal leftie shite.
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