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Old 23-12-2016, 09:57
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When you say "accept that result" do you mean, saying "oh well we tried" and disbanding, as a political party set up with a primary aim won't do that until they achieve it, hence "unfinished business". One only needs to look at Scotland and the island of Ireland to see that a wish for independence doesn't go away.
Yes but he did say he would accept a remain victory of 60% but one of 4% would not be good enough,
I assume that by saying he would accept one of 60% he WOULD give up, otherwise what did he mean by he would "accept it"?

and yet ironically it turns there was a victory of 4% the exact figure he said "would not be good enough" but that figure (when it went his way) did not stop him invading our screens with his shark grin constantly banging on about "independence day"
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:04
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Yes I saw that in the BBC mobile app


I would suggest that generally the U.K. Is pretty much the same as it was, but people with a vested interest will claim there is an increasing problem that needs addressing, because, as the self-appointed solution, they would say that wouldn't they?
He hardly be accused of inventing things when he has experienced hatred on a very personal and tragic level.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:23
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Here's a bit of 'research' I've done - as you suggested I should, and agree with every word!



http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7490876.html

edit - 'you' isn't meant to mean OHG, others know its them!
Love that

I'd hazard a bit of a guess there'll be a fair few who take that at face value.

Great stuff
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:33
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However much you put up the context is still the same, it is the believers being addressed. They are being informed how the non believers are viewed by Allah.
Non believers who are also oppressors and wrong-doers who have broken treaty and attacked.

The message on how to treat non-believers is if they are inclined towards peace then believers should incline towards peace and trust in God. The message is peaceful co-existence with peaceful non-believers.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:50
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The rise of populist groups has “deeply disturbing echoes of the dark days of the 1930s”, the Prince of Wales said ....
He didn't specify who he meant. There are so many 'populist groups' appeared recently.


When you say "accept that result" do you mean, saying "oh well we tried" and disbanding, as a political party set up with a primary aim won't do that until they achieve it, hence "unfinished business". One only needs to look at Scotland and the island of Ireland to see that a wish for independence doesn't go away.
We accepted the result in 1975 and it was over 40 years and a lot of goalposts moved by the EEC/EC/EU until the discontent had grown sufficiently to get a second referendum. UKIP would have regrouped and fought the 2020 election from a stronger position than in 2015 given the closeness of defeat (if it had gone the other way by a relatively narrow margin).
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:27
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He hardly be accused of inventing things when he has experienced hatred on a very personal and tragic level.
One event no matter of tragic for him personally, does not prove hatred is on the rise.
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:29
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One event no matter of tragic for him personally, does not prove hatred is on the rise.
Doesn't disprove it either.
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:37
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Yes but he did say he would accept a remain victory of 60% but one of 4% would not be good enough,
I assume that by saying he would accept one of 60% he WOULD give up, otherwise what did he mean by he would "accept it"?

and yet ironically it turns there was a victory of 4% the exact figure he said "would not be good enough" but that figure (when it went his way) did not stop him invading our screens with his shark grin constantly banging on about "independence day"
As I mentioned earlier, the parties who seek a change to the status quo are different and have a different outlook compared to those that with to retain it. There's not much more to add to it than that.

Let's see if another party rises to take us back in (Lib Dems?) to change the status quo and see how they react to defeat/victory.
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:38
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Doesn't disprove it either.
The onus of proof is on the one that makes the claim.
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:46
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As I mentioned earlier, the parties who seek a change to the status quo are different and have a different outlook compared to those that with to retain it. There's not much more to add to it than that.

Let's see if another party rises to take us back in (Lib Dems?) to change the status quo and see how they react to defeat/victory.
How terribly convenient! (sorry - had to be done.)
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Old 23-12-2016, 11:57
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How terribly convenient! (sorry - had to be done.)
You're not making sense.

How is being different convienient? I mentioned the SNP and Sinn Fein earlier, it's not just one party being different it's all of those with a particular type of aim.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:21
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Non believers who are also oppressors and wrong-doers who have broken treaty and attacked.

The message on how to treat non-believers is if they are inclined towards peace then believers should incline towards peace and trust in God. The message is peaceful co-existence with peaceful non-believers.
The message is how non believers are observed, peaceful co existence may indeed occur that does not change God's opinion of them. It is the Deity's opinion that creates the hate speech.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:50
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The message is how non believers are observed, peaceful co existence may indeed occur that does not change God's opinion of them. It is the Deity's opinion that creates the hate speech.
Not heard of many radical atheists trying to impose their beliefs on others by flying planes into buildings, bombing abortion clinics, murdering people who work there or attacking gay people.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:46
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I read today that Brendan Cox is going to give the Channel 4 Alternative Xmas Message this year. Should provide some interest for DS contributors.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:13
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The message is how non believers are observed, peaceful co existence may indeed occur that does not change God's opinion of them. It is the Deity's opinion that creates the hate speech.
That kind of reminds me of this. Can't argue with the logic.

https://apolojet.files.wordpress.com...oto-4-png.jpeg
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:13
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Not heard of many radical atheists trying to impose their beliefs on others by flying planes into buildings, bombing abortion clinics, murdering people who work there or attacking gay people.
Communism is a atheist ideology its killed countless millions and engages in terrorism.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:29
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The rise of populist groups has “deeply disturbing echoes of the dark days of the 1930s”, the Prince of Wales said ....
Well apart from the fact the Prince of Wales wasn't around in the thirties in normal circumstances the majority of people usually disreguard his opinions and views.

But I suppose when someone needs to bolster their argument they will drag any comment from anyone out.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:31
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Well apart from the fact the Prince of Wales wasn't around in the thirties in normal circumstances the majority of people usually disreguard his opinions and views.

But I suppose when someone needs to bolster their argument they will drag any comment from anyone out.
He was just talking about his family history
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:43
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One event no matter of tragic for him personally, does not prove hatred is on the rise.
Doesn't disprove it either.
Touche I think. It neither proves or disproves.



How terribly convenient! (sorry - had to be done.)
You seem to be telling it like it is and now having to do stuff.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:50
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He was just talking about his family history
Oh yes his Uncle David was a supporter of Hitler.

However the article was mostly about religious persecution rather than political albeit most persecution comes from elected politicians in countries outside of the control of most other countries.

The second world war wasn't fought to relieve the Jews of persecution most of the allies knew nothing or pretended they knew nothing about it it was about territory and Britain's obligation to Poland. When Hitler invaded Poland Britain had no choice but to declare war. Hitler had already invaded Austria!
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Old 23-12-2016, 15:00
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Touche I think. It neither proves or disproves.

Hence.

The onus of proof is on the one that makes the claim.
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Old 23-12-2016, 15:01
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Indeed it does, the burden of proof always lies with the claimant.
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Old 23-12-2016, 16:43
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those who would like those of us who don't share their opinions to 'shut up and go away' reveal the sort of society they would probably prefer.
A similar warning is made about 'the sort of society' the emerging right-wing populists 'would probably prefer'.

Well apart from the fact the Prince of Wales wasn't around in the thirties
irrelevant;

in normal circumstances the majority of people usually disregard his opinions and views.
it is a highly abnormal circumstance for the probable head of state to make his views known by this mechanism.

But I suppose when someone needs to bolster their argument they will drag any comment from anyone out.
why not instead address Old Hippy Guy's substantive point? You seem to have taken time and effort to prove him right!
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:29
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A similar warning is made about 'the sort of society' the emerging right-wing populists 'would probably prefer'.


irrelevant;


it is a highly abnormal circumstance for the probable head of state to make his views known by this mechanism.


why not instead address Old Hippy Guy's substantive point? You seem to have taken time and effort to prove him right!
The fact that the Prince of Wales wasn't around in the 1930s isn't irrelevant It is very relevant.

Yes it is unusual for the heir to the throne to comment on such issues although we have heard from him before regarding talking to plants/trees.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening...-it-works.html

As for why don't I respond to other posters posts I can respond or not to any posts posted I am not required to respond to certain ones.

In fact I am not even required to respond to you or your posts.
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:49
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Communism is a atheist ideology its killed countless millions and engages in terrorism.
But not in the name of atheism.
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