In Russia the league of militant atheists sought to eradicate religion including by killing clergy and overtly religious people in the name of atheism.

Communists have sought to eradicate religion in the name of atheism as atheism is a part of Communist ideology.

I think 'we' can safely say that there are extremes in all politics and religions.

But what we shouldn't do is assume that those extremes belong to those politics, religions and 'non-religions'.

Quite a savage comment on it by Mark Steel in today's i.

That was because they controlled the populace rather than the state have the control

In my opinion some ideologies are intrinsically extreme and dangerous. Communism, fascism, some religious beliefs for example the children of God cult (sex with children as a right), etc.

No.

Communism and Fascism isn't intrinsically extreme and dangerous it is how people apply the ideologies and politics - it can be extreme or not. It is pretty much the same with religions most religions aren't intrinsically extreme and dangerous it is how people choose to interpret or follow those religions.

Regarding the pretend 'children of god cult (sex with children as a right)' is a bit obscure but sex with children is against the law so already their 'so called cult/religion' is breaking the law.

Communism entails violent revolution, confiscation of property, and a reign of terror to impose a change in society. How is it not intrinsically extreme and dangerous?

Fascism entails extreme nationalism, authoritarianism and elimination of enemies of the state. How is it not intrinsically extreme and dangerous?

Both ideologies hold individual life and freedom as not sacrosanct. Individuals can be sacrificed for the good of the many or the nation. How is that not intrinsically extreme and dangerous?

The children of God cult that holds sex with children to be a divine right is not pretend it's a real cult.

I think you need to check out definitions of Fascism and Communism and as for the child of God cult I don't care if they are a real cult or think sex with children a divine right it is against the law.

You shouldn't mix up Political ideologies and established religions with cults, cults that break the law. They are three different categories.

I think you need to read up on the ideologies of Communism and Facism their vision of society and how to achieve that vision.

There are established religions in parts of the world whose practices include everything from what UK law would rightly deem child sex abuse to mutilation to murder.

How about the forced sale of housing association property for far less than market value? Or unlawful spying powers that the Stasi would be proud of?

The pure hate that comes from the people who Cox aligns himself with is disheartening, Farage is just a a man standing up for the common man against the sneering elites like Cox. Cox can dislike him but those personal attacks on him stating facts is a bit much. Thankfully Cox and his ilk are on the wrong side of history now.

The world has gone quite mad

Observations like that make


spot on.

Merry Christmas

Are you Mark Strong?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7490876.html

Listen not to the ghost of post-truth present

Have the happiest of Christmases

Learn from the ghost of régimes past, but
continue to support the message of the ghost of régimes yet to come.

Merry Christmas

You've got this all wrong. Farage is part of the elite. Cox is not, and I don't think he has sneered at or attacked anyone.

Well said,

Of course the poster never stops to ask what actions cause such hatred, there are many who say that the sort of political hatred and bigotry that causes a man to brutally murder a young and defenseless mother of two young children in cold blood for simply doing the job she was democratically elected to do should not cause a backlash of equal hatred, and they are probably right,

but that's for stronger people than I.

Farage refers to the political elite and the establishment in terms of an overall consensual view of the general direction of politics and society amongst that grouping. That is irrespective of how the electorate wish it to be otherwise. The EU has never had overall support from the population and many of the policies enacted have lacked such general support as well. Farage sides with the democratic will being the driving force and if that supports the EU so be it, Cox seems to side with the view that the EU is best and policies can be enacted for the 'best' even if most people disagree.

One does wonder that if Farage were shot dead tomorrow, would his "outspoken" critics take full responsibility for engineering a climate of political hate that led to his death? Would they see themselves as guilty of incitement?

I'm guessing almost certainly not. I see zero "concern" from the likes of Brendan Cox and his supporters about the hatred whipped up against and directed towards right wing politicians. Absolutely none whatsoever.

You only have to look at how positively orgasmic some people get at the thought of Brexit supporters "dying off"

Bloody hell, unbelievable.

Please God I stay the wrong side of history if people like this are on the right side!

Farage is the one guilty of engineering a climate of political hate. If he is judged and criticised (and loathed) for it - he has only himself to blame.

I sometimes wonder what planet some people live on because it's obviously not this one. Have we crossed over to some sort of parallel universe?

No he isn't.

You feel he is, but that is not the same thing.

and you feel he isn't - but I feel very strongly that you are completely and utterly incorrect.