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Farage brands Brendan Cox an extremist
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jjwales
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Blairdennon:
“You do not have to trawl through anything one little example should be at your fingertips most especially if it is hate filled bilge. Th eAIDS victims abusing the NHS is a perfect example of what is meant. He asked the question of the others in the debate how they felt about health tourism and gave the ability to obtain immediate, expensive anti viral treatment as an example of health tourism”

That wasn't a typical example of health tourism though.
jjwales
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Staunchy:
“Yeah, what we need are more people who are suddenly self proclaimed experts because they have suffered a personal tradegy.”

What's this got to do with Brendan Cox? He is not - suddenly or otherwise - a "self proclaimed expert".
Blairdennon
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Farage was presenting it as foreigners who know they have AIDS come to the UK to get free healthcare. Immigrants abusing the NHS through healthcare tourism.

The reality is they come to the UK and years latter start suffering symptoms get diagnosed and receive treatment. This is indicative of there not being AIDS healthcare tourism.

People coming to the UK from countries where AIDS is far more prevalent are more likely to have AIDS than people born in the UK. That I would have thought was a statement of the obvious not needing to be explained. It does not however indicate they knew they had AIDS when they came to the UK as they do not seek treatment until years latter when they get symptoms and are diagnosed.

Also the prevalence of AIDS amongst immigrant populations in the UK is lower than the prevalence in populations of the countries they are from. So immigrants from abroad do not disproportionately have AIDS in comparison to the population of the country they came from, in fact the opposite is true. This is indicative of there not being AIDS healthcare tourism.

And currently over 50% of those being diagnosed with AIDS were born in the UK.


Farage gets denigrated because he claimed there is a huge problem of immigrants abusing the NHS through healthcare tourism using AIDS treatment as his example. When he was well aware that AIDS treatment is one of the few treatments provided to anyone in the UK on public health grounds, and was well aware that there is no evidence of AiDS healthcare tourism.”

Then best to quote what he said as far as I can recall. He asked the other debaters how they felt about health tourism and he said currently anyone can come here be diagnosed with AIDS and receive expensive drug treatment. Now I do not know what is actually false in that statement because that is exactly what one can do. There is no evidence to indicate they do, which is not the same as they do not but the whole point is they can. Not one other debater answered the question and everyone here still answers the point he did not make.
Blairdennon
26-12-2016
Originally Posted by jjwales:
“That wasn't a typical example of health tourism though.”

It was an example of what can happen. There is no evidence to say it does happen just as there is no evidence to say it does not happen, Farage's point was it can happen without any fuss.
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