They didn't mess it up the Scots took a look at the SNPs work of fiction and rational, sensible Scots said no thanks.

And if some of our Scottish posters on here are correct there appears to be less support now than in 2014.

Yes - I've realised our place is at the feet of England, rejoicing at the altar of Westminster. Yup, we're too wee, poor & stupid to make our own decisions......

Cliche Nat Heaven...

Nonetheless true. It's about time we got some self respect.

There sure as hell isn't any coming our way from our wonderful fellow 'UK' citizens.

Typical Scottish Government document from the SNP. As expected the situation is blatantly misrepresented to make out Scotland is hard done by.

"there is clearly a strong desire in Scotland to be a full and active member of the European family of nations" - Well Scotland needs to do what is needed to become one then! It is time to stop moaning, become Independent and attempt to join the EU!

"I said I would explore – not just my preferred option of independence – but all options to protect Scotland’s place in, and relationship with, Europe" - It's a shame there are only exploring their idealistic and unrealistic options then, rather than being pragmatic about it.

"The Scottish people did not vote for Brexit" - 1 million Scottish people did! But it is clear those that aren't part of the SNP hive mind are not important.

"One option – in my view, the best option – is to become a full member of the EU as an independent country." - They should crack on then. They will have to first win over the people they are choosing to ignore though.

"Secondly, we consider how Scotland could remain a member of the European Single Market and retain some key benefits of EU membership even if the rest of the UK decides to leave." - A prime example of the SNP's "make shit up and claim it is possible" tactic.

"As a government we remain committed to EU membership as an independent nation – and are proud to say so." - No they're not. If they were they would actually be taking the steps towards EU Membership (Independence, EU application) rather than just complaining.

They complain that their voice isn't being heard on the EU. But it was.

They previously chose to remain part of the collective which is the UK. That collective had a referendum, of which they all had an equal vote, and there was a winner. The majority of people within the body that they chose to remain a part of chose a different path.

Scotland chose to remain part of the UK. The UK had a vote. It didn't go the way they wanted.

End of.

Good point lets face it is implementing brexit which is the massive mistake here.

There is plenty of respect. Pandering to a minority because they didn't get their own way is not respect. We live in a democracy. You can't just reject democracy because you didn't get your own way.

Perhaps Scotland should lead by example and show respect within first. People mention how the UK is divided, but Scotland is more so. There is a deep division between Independence supporters and people who rejected it.

Not to worry sometimes it can take a while to absorb things but at least you got there in the end.

Sorry Smoggy, there isn't.
We live in an asymmetric incorporating union and we know our place.

So long as a greater proportion of the Scottish population are more interested in wagging their tails at every English voice than putting the country's dignity first, we will have to listen to them telling us how little we really are.

Really makes you wonder why the English government is so keen to keep us. They should perhaps listen to their populace as represented on this forum...

So you chose to pick out the ONE spelling mistake from a Scottish poster and ignored the SEVERAL spelling mistakes made by the English posters? Or perhaps you didn't know they were spelling mistakes. Hmmm......

But why aren't the SNP now demanding an immediate referendum?

Two points in response to that.

If you are genuinely interested in an answer to that, you will need to ask them. I am neither a member nor a supporter of the SNP.

You illustrate the issue - legally the SNP are unable to hold a binding referendum. In other words, it is the English government in control of our 'equal (isn't that what we were told)' union.

It wasn't a spelling mistake.

Effected is a perfectly good word unfortunately it was used in entirely the wrong context.

The reason is simple the SNP don't want one.

On the assumption that you have insider knowledge as opposed to expressing your own biased opinion, I shall accept that.

It isn't my opinion, biased or otherwise, I'm just reading the latest work of fiction from the SNP which seems to be about "protecting" Scottish interests whilst remaining in the UK.

Furthermore, didn't Sturgeon say that until there was 60% support for a new referendum there wouldn't be one? How close to 60% are they?

Did she not also say that a vote to leave the EU would almost certainly lead to a second indy referendum?

Given the above does that make a new indyref more or less likely?

Where did I put my rusty claymore................

Scotland is not an EU member, so they can't keep anything that comes along with the EU membership. It's the UK that's the EU member and not Scotland.

Unless Scotland gets a second indyref and succeeds in becoming independent, then apply for the EU. However, this will take just as long as getting the Brexit deal in place.

'Work of fiction' might suggest a degree of bias however, I agree 'protecting' Scottish interests whilst remaining in the UK is certainly a fictional concept.

I do not believe she herself said 60% however, there are numerous media references to what is an entirely arbitrary figure.

How close?
Last time I looked, the union was hanging by less than 5%.

On your final point, your guess is as good as mine!

And the result will be the same as 2014, will you lot then shut up and put up. Grass is not always greener, and the sooner Sturgeon gets that, and understands in the grand scheme of things she is as important as she thinks she is.

What can I say?!

It's a work of fiction because it is impractical, bias doesn't come into it.

It should, however, be about getting a good deal for all of the UK as each and every citizen matters but of course Sturgeon doesn't care about anyone else.

Plenty of reports about the 60% needed, as you know of course, and if it's now only 5% lower as you claim, and is merely an arbitrary figure anyway, they could go for it surely?

And of course the Brexit vote was supposed to be the trigger for another indyref yet no demand from the SNP to hold one.

As I said they don't want one.

**** me you lot are beyond parody. Just yesterday the question of Westminster calling Sturgeons bluff and holding an Indyref was posed and I jokingly suggested the response you gave above.

Nothing if it is to defend Sturgeon's posturing. She really is becoming a total bore.