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Brits would vote to leave the EU again.
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MARTYM8
20-12-2016
The final Comres poll before the referendum on 22 Jume had remain 8 per cent ahead but leave won in the actual vote by 4. If they now have leave ahead by 2 this suggests leave is probably more like 13 per cent ahead - assuming they are as inaccurate now as they were six months ago!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7096316.html
bluewomble88
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Well, the frontal lobotomy needed to bring us all down to Brexiters' levels of mentality isn't particularly appealing.

Far better to batten down the debt hatches, pay it all off, and put oneself in the best possible situation to weather the coming storm. Some of us don't have the luxury of living off the state.”

I thought you were leaving Britain anyway. Got a fixed date yet?

It must rile you terribly that such thick, common, uneducated leavers keep squashing your arguments without breaking sweat.
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“Still waiting on Aurichie and his dozen polls saying the opposite of this one. ”

Aurichie hasn't been around for a few days, perhaps he's tending the reindeer.
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MrEdgarFinchley:
“Leave Again?

When did it happen the first time?”

It's being processed.
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“No special powers at all, just a sense of observation. It's not 100% of course, but we know analysis has shown that the least well educated you are, the more likely you are to have voted out. It's neither totally down to intellect, nor wealth. You only have to look at the places that voted remain vs those who voted leave. The places with either a high percentage of students, or classy folk, or both, who voted remain. It's why Harrogate voted in, and Huddersfield out. Bath voted in and Basildon out.

I very much doubt any of the hardcore Brexiters on here buck the stereotype in any way.”

And you have an attitude that means you'll never ever know.
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Shouldn't that be a whole Mile Away? None of those EU measurements! ”

A mile is further than a km and beyond Trevgo's visual range.
trevgo
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Shouldn't that be a whole Mile Away? None of those EU measurements! ”

Aha, it worked
trevgo
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by allaorta:
“A mile is further than a km and beyond Trevgo's visual range.”

Don't you realise the mile has plunged in length since the referendum?

Speculators are predicting it will reach parity with the kilometre if negotiations go badly.
David_Flett1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“The final Comres poll before the referendum on 22 Jume had remain 8 per cent ahead but leave won in the actual vote by 4. If they now have leave ahead by 2 this suggests leave is probably more like 13 per cent ahead - assuming they are as inaccurate now as they were six months ago!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7096316.html”

I would have thought that polls would be redundant by now considering how wrong they have been on all major issues this year. There was a survey carried out in the US after the presidential election and many of those questioned did not want to say how they were going to vote or said the exact opposite of how they would vote. In another survey only monitoring social media the result was too close to call , they had Clinton ahead but only by 1.5%. Considering that she actually won the popular vote by 2.8 million that is fairly accurate but popular votes in the US don't win elections so it is much more difficult to work out what the electoral college result would be.

Perhaps in future a polling company should concentrate their effort on social media and try and compile a large number of those using social media and track how they feel about a forthcoming election. My guess is that if we look across social media that in a large number of areas that voted leave there would have been a high percentage of those using social media to air their views between friends but may have said different things when questioned in the street or on the phone by a polling company.
Glawster2002
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I'm not surprised by the result. Apart from the pound dropping, the Leave vote has been seen to have very little material effect on people's lives so far.

One element may be that that the doomsdayers were predicting that the sky would fall in the day after the referendum, this hasn't happened and now people are wondering what all the fuss was about. There is a big 'but' of course in that is unknown what life will be like for the UK once it's outside the EU and perhaps even outside the Single Market.”

I think that is true. For pretty much everyone there has been no change to their lives following the vote. such an opinion poll would only really be valid, say 5 years after we have left the EU and people can see how it has affected their lives, if at all.

Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“Oh for goodness sake. Most of the world is outside the single market. Does Australia or Canada suffer from war and pestilence through not bejng members? No they have much higher standards of living then most EU members.”

However we haven't left the EU yet so these things may still yet come to pass...

The difference with Australia and Canada, though, is they have a far more balanced economy than we do. The UK economy has too much of an over-reliance on a small number of sectors, the financial industry being a prime example, and so any serious hit on such sectors, banks moving part or all of their EU-focused businesses to the likes of Frankfurt or Paris for example, could have a disproportionate effect on the UK economy.
FusionFury
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I'm not surprised by the result. Apart from the pound dropping, the Leave vote has been seen to have very little material effect on people's lives so far.

One element may be that that the doomsdayers were predicting that the sky would fall in the day after the referendum, this hasn't happened and now people are wondering what all the fuss was about. There is a big 'but' of course in that is unknown what life will be like for the UK once it's outside the EU and perhaps even outside the Single Market.”

Nothing has changed, shop prices haven't risen like people said they would.. they are cheap as chips !
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“Don't you realise the mile has plunged in length since the referendum?

Speculators are predicting it will reach parity with the kilometre if negotiations go badly.”

You're certainly giving it your best but no banana....straight or curved.
Hilary22cat
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Nothing has changed, shop prices haven't risen like people said they would.. they are cheap as chips ! ”

And house prices in our area have risen 4% in the last three months, contrary to the assurances by those posters who predicted they would plummet....and who sold their houses in preparation, perhaps prematurely?
trevgo
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Nothing has changed, shop prices haven't risen like people said they would.. they are cheap as chips ! ”

Wait until next year.

I appreciate in your simple world everything is instant, but it doesn't work like that in reality. Prices are going rise in 2017 and significantly.

They were discussing just how many millions extra it's costing the NHS in drug and equipment charges already.
Boo Radley75
21-12-2016
Is there any point to this thread other than to have a dig at two posters here? There isn't going to be another referendum so the poll is pretty pointless anyway. Infantile thread.
trevgo
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Hilary22cat:
“And house prices in our area have risen 4% in the last three months, contrary to the assurances by those posters who predicted they would plummet....and who sold their houses in preparation, perhaps prematurely?”

We're between sale and purchase at the moment, downsizing and getting rid of our mortgage. Absolutely confident we are doing the right thing. Agent thinks we've got out just at the right time - he can see what is coming.

Even if dreamers can't.
allaorta
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Hilary22cat:
“And house prices in our area have risen 4% in the last three months, contrary to the assurances by those posters who predicted they would plummet....and who sold their houses in preparation, perhaps prematurely?”

Trevgo!
MTUK1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“We're between sale and purchase at the moment, downsizing and getting rid of our mortgage. Absolutely confident we are doing the right thing. Agent thinks we've got out just at the right time - he can see what is coming.

Even if dreamers can't.”

you're beyond parody now.
trevgo
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MTUK1:
“ you're beyond parody now.”

You always were.

It will be the prudent who end up laughing longest, not the foolhardy.
MargMck
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“We're between sale and purchase at the moment, downsizing and getting rid of our mortgage. Absolutely confident we are doing the right thing. Agent thinks we've got out just at the right time - he can see what is coming.

Even if dreamers can't.”

Naive or what? I deal with estate agents all the time (market analysis) and although they are mostly lovely chaps and chapesses away from work, they will tell anyone, anything to either get your instructions on their books for a sale, or to flog a property to househunters.
The "Getting in / out at the right time" opinion is a classic as it's not telling porkies about the actual particulars.
Whoever buys your property will have been 'tipped' that they are "getting in at the right time."
trevgo
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“ Naive or what? I deal with estate agents all the time (market analysis) and although they are mostly lovely chaps and chapesses away from work, they will tell anyone, anything to either get your instructions on their books for a sale, or to flog a property to househunters.
The "Getting in / out at the right time" opinion is a classic as it's not telling porkies about the actual particulars.
Whoever buys your property will have been 'tipped' that they are "getting in at the right time."”

The agent in question is a personal friend of about 18 years. He was an arch remainer and thinks there are tough times ahead for the London market - although it's still absolutely frenetic around here, and prices climbing steeply. In other areas of London, the market has already stalled. Try selling a flat in Clerkenwell.

Hardly rocket science, considering what's around the corner.
MTUK1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by trevgo:
“The agent in question is a personal friend of about 18 years. He was an arch remainer and thinks there are tough times ahead for the London market - although it's still absolutely frenetic around here, and prices climbing steeply. In other areas of London, the market has already stalled. Try selling a flat in Clerkenwell.

Hardly rocket science, considering what's around the corner.”

on the Christmas Sherry already.
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