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Old 20-12-2016, 13:34
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Nice Video of Chloe and Aj dancing at Keith and Judys Annual Christmas Do


http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/da...ail/story.html
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:44
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Nice Video of Chloe and Aj dancing at Keith and Judys Annual Christmas Do


http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/da...ail/story.html
Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
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Old 20-12-2016, 13:45
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Nice Video of Chloe and Aj dancing at Keith and Judys Annual Christmas Do


http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/da...ail/story.html

It's lovely that they were able to perform there - shows the friendship between their families
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:00
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
Or perhaps the BBC was trying to recruit some more home-grown pros and knows that the Cliftons' school of dance is a good source for that? Or perhaps the BBC was impressed with AJ & Chloe's dancing skills?

I would imagine that once you get to a certain level in the competitive dance world, that everyone knows everyone else.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:10
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.

I do hope this was not a seriously meant comment.....
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:27
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Is there nothing this family won't stoop to in order to ingratiate themselves within the dance community .







OK, enough sarcasm for today Hev.
Good for them , they look a proper jolly bunch and very un-showbizzy . I'd go if invited .
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:29
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
I am taking it that was sarcasm. Ballroom dancing is a small community.
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Old 20-12-2016, 14:45
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
Yes, they probably did know Len Goodman - just about everyone who dances ballroom and Latin in the UK and Abroad knows Len. And he will also have judged them in various competitions - as he has judged, and even taught, most of the ballroom & Latin pros at sometime or other.

As someone has said, the dance world is a small community, everyone tends to know everyone else. Some may have trained with the same teachers/coaches (most competitors have several teachers); others will have practiced at the same practice venues (there's not so many of them); and undoubtedly, whether they live in the UK or any country overseas, they will have met, and become friendly at international competitions.

Stupid to suggest the bbc is corrupt, because a couple of dancers know another couple of dancers.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:00
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
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Old 20-12-2016, 15:40
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Or perhaps the BBC was trying to recruit some more home-grown pros and knows that the Cliftons' school of dance is a good source for that? Or perhaps the BBC was impressed with AJ & Chloe's dancing skills?

I would imagine that once you get to a certain level in the competitive dance world, that everyone knows everyone else.
AJ and Chloe are not from the Clifton dance school they are from AJ's dad's dance school and as article said Adrian has trained Kevin and Joanne in the past - the BBC's choice of AJ and Chloe will have had nothing to do with the Cliftons - they were young champions and the BBC interviewed quite a few in the run up to this last series in the same age range at AJ and Chloe
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:19
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
Are you serious? At the elite end of any activity the top level particiapnts will know each other. They travel on the same curcuits, stay in the same hotels, compete in the same events, eat in the same dining rooms year in year out. Of course they all know each other.

Andy Murray trained with Nadal as a junior does that make the World Tennis Federation corrupt or the BBC corrupt for showing them both at Wimbledon etc?
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:24
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Is there nothing this family won't stoop to in order to ingratiate themselves within the dance community .







OK, enough sarcasm for today Hev.
Good for them , they look a proper jolly bunch and very un-showbizzy . I'd go if invited .
I would go to if i was lucky enough to be invited.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:31
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AJ and Chloe are not from the Clifton dance school they are from AJ's dad's dance school and as article said Adrian has trained Kevin and Joanne in the past - the BBC's choice of AJ and Chloe will have had nothing to do with the Cliftons - they were young champions and the BBC interviewed quite a few in the run up to this last series in the same age range at AJ and Chloe
Sorry, my mistake, and thanks for clearing that up.

My point is still valid, though: The dance world isn't enormous and everyone at a certain level probably knows each other. And I'm sure the "dancing families" with lines of top dancers going back a few generations probably all greatly respect each other. So, because some pros turn up at an event organised by the Cliftons, or anyone else in the dancing world, doesn't mean they or the BBC is corrupt.
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Old 20-12-2016, 17:53
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Is there nothing this family won't stoop to in order to ingratiate themselves within the dance community .







OK, enough sarcasm for today Hev.
Good for them , they look a proper jolly bunch and very un-showbizzy . I'd go if invited .
So would I and how civilised it looked too. They have chairs for the floor show. At the dances I go to the only option for a short arse like me to be able to see is to sit on the floor at the front.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:22
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The dance world is very small.

Way back when the very first series of Strictly was being developed-

They'd sorted out the pro dancers fairly quickly - just 4 dance couples in the first series for 8 celebrities - but they hadn't sorted out all the judges.

So Erin Boag - Anton's partner - recommended Len Goodman to the Strictly producers, and he's been there ever since.

He didn't show her any favouritism though

Austinwozrobbed and Erinwozrobbed #just saying


PS I would have loved to see Claudia and AJ's showdance in the Final though.
Think all the finalists deserved to be there, but it would have been nice to see them too.
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Old 21-12-2016, 02:20
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Just proof of how corrupt the BBC is - I bet this British dance couple also knew Len Goodman before they joined Strictly.
What a silly comment!! Everyone in the dance world knows Len and AJ and Chloe were no different having come up through juvenile junior and youth ranks to amateurs.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:04
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I just thought I'd get in first with the paranoid accusations

It's sad that satire can be confused with trolling or plain idiocy.
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Old 21-12-2016, 11:59
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I just thought I'd get in first with the paranoid accusations

It's sad that satire can be confused with trolling or plain idiocy.
Thought it might have been satire, but I think recently, in politics at least, satire has failed to produce anything as outrageous as real life. So we're all easily confused!

Re: Other posters suggesting it's a small world. I'm not convinced the dance world is that small. There's a big difference between acquaintance and friendship. Sharing a dance studio with World Champions Riccardo and Yulia isn't the same as being best buddies with them. Similarly competing against someone doesn't make you friends (can do quite the opposite). My dance teachers are ex competitors. They know lots of people. Not sure they are that friendly with most of them though. Obviously coaching is different as it is a closer relationship.
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:12
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Last year at the Clifton's Xmas "do" Anton was a guest and danced with Joanne..

Shock horror !!
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:05
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Sharing a dance studio with World Champions Riccardo and Yulia isn't the same as being best buddies with them. Similarly competing against someone doesn't make you friends (can do quite the opposite). My dance teachers are ex competitors. They know lots of people. Not sure they are that friendly with most of them though. Obviously coaching is different as it is a closer relationship.
I think some people would scream "fix"/bias/conspiracy if any of the dancers on Strictly had so much as passed one of the judges in the street one time 10 years ago...
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Old 21-12-2016, 14:24
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Enjoyed the video. I like it when couples use very spanishy/flamenco sounded muisc for paso dobles. Makes a nice change from espana cani which you always hear at comps but still retains the spirit of the dance. I find the more "boundary pushing" choices in music often leave me feeling a bit cold and I enjoy the dance less even when its done by a top world renowned couple.

Thought it might have been satire, but I think recently, in politics at least, satire has failed to produce anything as outrageous as real life. So we're all easily confused!

Re: Other posters suggesting it's a small world. I'm not convinced the dance world is that small. There's a big difference between acquaintance and friendship. Sharing a dance studio with World Champions Riccardo and Yulia isn't the same as being best buddies with them. Similarly competing against someone doesn't make you friends (can do quite the opposite). My dance teachers are ex competitors. They know lots of people. Not sure they are that friendly with most of them though. Obviously coaching is different as it is a closer relationship.
This is true. My dance teachers are ex pro competitors too and seem to know literally everyone on the dance scene to my eyes but in reality it's the world they've inhabited, followed and worked in for their entire lives so they've crossed paths with lots of people and know lots of history and backstory for the couples. I think it is a pretty small world but I guess it depends if you look at knowing certain circuits or countries/regions well, or knowing everyone up to the top pros and their coaches. Everyone runs in different circles don't they - though with latin and ballroom the world is small enough that 6 degrees of separation is more like about 3 degrees of separation even for someone like me who dances at the "friendliest" level.

Chloe and AJ, british dancers, knowing Keith and Judy pretty well is kind of to be expected I think.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:29
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Thought it might have been satire, but I think recently, in politics at least, satire has failed to produce anything as outrageous as real life. So we're all easily confused!

Re: Other posters suggesting it's a small world. I'm not convinced the dance world is that small. There's a big difference between acquaintance and friendship. Sharing a dance studio with World Champions Riccardo and Yulia isn't the same as being best buddies with them. Similarly competing against someone doesn't make you friends (can do quite the opposite). My dance teachers are ex competitors. They know lots of people. Not sure they are that friendly with most of them though. Obviously coaching is different as it is a closer relationship.
When saying the dance world is small I wasn't suggesting that everyone is bosom-buddies, but on the Open National Circuit as well as the International circuit, most dancers do get to know each other, in much the same way as people can get to know their neighbours. Whether they actually like each other or not is irrelevant, sometimes there maybe real dislike. But then, if it came to judging on the likes of Strictly, disliking could be as biased as liking - if you know what I mean!

Mind you, when I was involved with the medallist scene, both as a learner, then a teacher, I found there was a lot more jealousy and friction between people - dancers, teachers, even the principals - of one school towards another, than I've ever seen on the open and professional circuit. so I certainly couldn't imagine any of those getting friendly.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:22
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This is true. My dance teachers are ex pro competitors too and seem to know literally everyone on the dance scene to my eyes but in reality it's the world they've inhabited, followed and worked in for their entire lives so they've crossed paths with lots of people and know lots of history and backstory for the couples. I think it is a pretty small world but I guess it depends if you look at knowing certain circuits or countries/regions well, or knowing everyone up to the top pros and their coaches. Everyone runs in different circles don't they - though with latin and ballroom the world is small enough that 6 degrees of separation is more like about 3 degrees of separation even for someone like me who dances at the "friendliest" level.

Chloe and AJ, british dancers, knowing Keith and Judy pretty well is kind of to be expected I think.
When saying the dance world is small I wasn't suggesting that everyone is bosom-buddies, but on the Open National Circuit as well as the International circuit, most dancers do get to know each other, in much the same way as people can get to know their neighbours. Whether they actually like each other or not is irrelevant, sometimes there maybe real dislike. But then, if it came to judging on the likes of Strictly, disliking could be as biased as liking - if you know what I mean!

Mind you, when I was involved with the medallist scene, both as a learner, then a teacher, I found there was a lot more jealousy and friction between people - dancers, teachers, even the principals - of one school towards another, than I've ever seen on the open and professional circuit. so I certainly couldn't imagine any of those getting friendly.
I think for non dancers it is like having a large LinkedIn network, which I have as a result of working in IT for several years. Lots of people may be there. You may have shared a few drinks with quite a few of them in the past at work related events. Some may have referred you to headhunters/employers. Whether you'd walk an extra mile for most of them is another matter.

Yes Ellie, there are less degrees of separation. I feel I almost know one of my dance teacher's coaches as he gets quoted so often! Also I have shared dance floors with some very eniment coaches. And I agree that regional considerations come into the building of networks. E.g. The school I go to hosts and attends dance competitions for schools in the same region although the owners are also hosts to non UK dancers who go to their school for coaching.

Btw, the use of "British' on this and other threads is actually confusing. You don't have to be born in the UK to be British. Many people acquire this nationality though settlement, marriage etc. Wouldn't Ola be British now or at least have dual nationality?
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:26
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Last year at the Clifton's Xmas "do" Anton was a guest and danced with Joanne..

Shock horror !!
Tristan danced with Joanne at this "do" in 2014 and said this about it in an interview:

Question: "Also, on the Sunday after the Strictly final, you danced with Joanne Clifton at her family’s annual event. Would you tell us something about that?"

Tristan: "We danced a showcase, myself and Jo, the night after the Strictly final in Grimsby up north in Jo and Kev’s parents’ studio. It was their last dance night before the Christmas break so it was a lovely dinner dance. We did a few numbers and question and answers and photos. It was a super night and we flew back to Dublin the next morning. I have known the Cliftons since we were kids and they are one of the nicest families I have probably met and I loved being part of their academies night. We danced two ballroom and two Latin - Waltz, the Viennese Waltz that I did with Rachel for the Christmas special, a Jive, and a Paso to “Unstoppable.” Kev and Karen did the show the previous year and they had flown to New York that morning so it was easy enough for me to do before I went back home."

http://www.macmaniacs.org/tristan-interviews/previous/3

I have to say it seems weird to me to imagine Len judging a "real" dance competition - in my mind, he seems like a pantomime judge on Strictly, just like the others.
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Old 21-12-2016, 16:45
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I have to say it seems weird to me to imagine Len judging a "real" dance competition - in my mind, he seems like a pantomime judge on Strictly, just like the others.
Len would not speak at all when adjudicating a real competition. He just notes down his recalls or placings. So his opportunities for pantomime would be limited.

Interesting post regarding Tristan. Lovely for him to say the Cliftons are one of the nicest families he has ever met.
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