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Old 21-12-2016, 11:40
Annabel la
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That's what people always think when they disagree with the majority.

I don't think Len has any kind of mind-control, if people are willing to listen to his comments and take them to heart then the chances are they were already headed down that path anyway and had bought their Ore t-shirt.

We've seen what happens when Len says something that people don't agree with, they get mad at him and are motivated to vote the other way.
This was the first series strictly one dancing I've watched through!
Thought it was excellent ! seeing Lesley Joseph icing it a real go!
Thought wouldn't watch after Ed Balls and the Judge left ! I'm a big athletics and theatre fan so was sad to see Greg go!
I've been a gymnastics coach and tough Claudia will have had dance lessons valet etc more than anything for her floor routines in particular she was at a disadvantage being so young and tiny!
I was disappointed with Will Young leaving !
Through the competition the final 3 left me cold !
Having said that Santa dance experience goes right back to childhood and through his life ! He had the junior league in Les miserables at 8 and was still dancing last year at the leister Haymarket in February !

Louise I thought I'd like! but left me cold !
BUT
The final was perfect because as was said Danny was the benchmark they a had to aspire to !
He made a mistake but love d the showdance!
Louie raised her game ! wasn't sure about the leotard but hey don't matter ! Also pretty good on the night!
Ore however did performance best something I didn't expect !
The comment about him being someone with no dance experience was only to show how and what he achieved !
It was so said that anyone of the 3 would have won it on any other year !

Danny being good from the beginning wasn't the issue whatever my personal views are! He hadn't got the room for improvement and was the bench mark ! Also had been 2 years voted sexiest male so was always going to be appealing !
Louise was almost faultless and in one dance got the emotion spot on!
Ore and Joanne did sparkle 😃and shine through out the night and somehow raised their game to and had the edge on those that had set the standard throughout !
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:24
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That's what people always think when they disagree with the majority.

I don't think Len has any kind of mind-control, if people are willing to listen to his comments and take them to heart then the chances are they were already headed down that path anyway and had bought their Ore t-shirt.

We've seen what happens when Len says something that people don't agree with, they get mad at him and are motivated to vote the other way.
Couldn't agree more.
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Old 21-12-2016, 12:50
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Well said!

The show needs all sorts of people to bring all kinds of experience with them. I don't want to watch 15 ringers or 15 complete beginners. The audience can choose for themselves whether to prefer the dance trained or the dance duffers, but the show should be valuing them all for what they each bring.

Banging on about one person being "as good as a professional dancer" whilst saying another "is what Strictly is all about" is setting them up. If someone is invited onto the show, and they play their part and enter 'into the spirit of Strictly" then they deserve to be treated with some fairness and decency.



That is exactly how I see it.
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Old 21-12-2016, 13:44
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That is exactly how I see it.

Me too, I thought what Len said was so wrong but he wasn't bothered, he was leaving. I also know of people who were swayed by what he said.
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Old 21-12-2016, 14:11
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All celebs are approached to take part in the show by the producers then all should be treated fairly. They all make the commitment which gives the GBP entertainment on a Saturday night be it good, bad or indifferent and the judges are there to score/comment each dance on it's own merit. To single out any celeb regarding 'past experience' or 'x is wonderful they have never danced before' is patronising and disrespectful to all who are taking part in a given year. The judges are meant to be impartial (I know hard for SCD!) and should not try to force their own views/comments onto the watching public about any given celeb but sadly it happens too often.
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Old 21-12-2016, 15:11
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I am going to quote just a bit of your post Annabel la. Some of I don't understand though.

He had the junior lead in Les miserables at 8 and was still dancing last year at the Leicester Haymarket in February !
He was Gavroche in Les Mis (no dancing). He played the part of Warner in Legally Blonde at the Leicester Curve in May for a month (no dancing)! If you are going to try and put fact in a post, perhaps it would be an idea to get the facts correct first!
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:53
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That's what people always think when they disagree with the majority.

I don't think Len has any kind of mind-control, if people are willing to listen to his comments and take them to heart then the chances are they were already headed down that path anyway and had bought their Ore t-shirt.

We've seen what happens when Len says something that people don't agree with, they get mad at him and are motivated to vote the other way.
Agreed. If he did have mind control powers, Kellie would have won last year. The thing for me though, is whether saying someone is the spirit of Strictly is really an endorsement of them winning. I would consider Ed as embodying the spirit of Strictly too, but I don't think he should have been anywhere near the final.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:40
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Agreed. If he did have mind control powers, Kellie would have won last year. The thing for me though, is whether saying someone is the spirit of Strictly is really an endorsement of them winning. I would consider Ed as embodying the spirit of Strictly too, but I don't think he should have been anywhere near the final.
On the other hand, saying it in the actual final could be seen as a rather heavy handed steer
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:16
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Last year was almost the prototype for Never Danced Before pushing - it was Anita's storyline and reached a crescendo in the week leading up to the semi final - where she was unceremoniously dumped over someone whose Never Danced Before was a bad thing.

Strange times
Katie's Waltz beating Anita's Salsa? Not really strange at all. Anita should have chosen to do her foxtrot.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:33
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On the other hand, saying it in the actual final could be seen as a rather heavy handed steer
Saying it is one thing but rising to his feet and giving him a standing ovation really got my goat!
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:37
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Katie's Waltz beating Anita's Salsa? Not really strange at all. Anita should have chosen to do her foxtrot.
That and Anita's salsa wasn't a salsa, but a hip hop routine.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:38
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Saying it is one thing but rising to his feet and giving him a standing ovation really got my goat!
He did what Len loves. And he did it beautifully.

Craig ADORED Danny. He hated having to mark him down a single point for the messed up QS, and yet he cheerfully marked Ore down for not pointing his toe in one figure.

These things happen.

And plenty of things Len says and does ANGER people so have the opposite effect.

I think people are overthinking this.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:39
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That and Anita's salsa wasn't a salsa, but a hip hop routine.
Anita was a nice enough woman but her feet were bloody AWFUL, and Gleb was the master of 'smoke and mirrors, style over substance'. I was glad he left.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:39
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Katie's Waltz beating Anita's Salsa? Not really strange at all. Anita should have chosen to do her foxtrot.
Anita scored the same for both her dances - and both her dances ourscored both of Katie's.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:41
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Exactly, Aggs, never dancing before is dependant on the specific storyline being pushed a good, bad or doesn't matter at all, thing.

I can't keep up.

Certainly last year Helen was beaten about the head every single week with balletic, in this year I do beleive I heard that term used about Ore in the rumba as a good thing. Also Loiuse as good in her Paso but it was bad for Danny in his rumba.

Consistency would be nice but I realise since SCD doesn't know from week to week what they want how can they be consistent.

Actually day to day, poor Will fell fouled of that one, how exciting, how innovative, how good, how bad, how dare they do a Bollywood.

To those saying there is no manipulation, I just don't see how it can't be seen.

There is obviously no grand plan, they don't start the series with a specific winner in mind, but boy do they play with storylines to manipulate what ever it is they want that particular day or hour.
Ore and Joanne's Rumba

Danny and Oti's Rumba

Louise and Kevin's Paso

I can only find one "balletic" reference: where Craig said he liked Louise's blink-and-you-miss-it assisted arabesque (3:09). Perhaps you would clarify what you object to in the judges comments on these dances?

One observation: with perhaps the exception of the final stages of the competition, the judges do give constructive comments and point out things where the celebs can improve. Thus, in Danny's rumba, they pointed out a need for him to control his energy and attack. Did he take those comments on board and correct that? I don't think he did.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:49
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Anita scored the same for both her dances - and both her dances ourscored both of Katie's.
Firstly, she outscored Katie's Waltz by a mere 1 point - easily recoverable in a second attempt as Katie did not do it well first time round.

Secondly, it's the performances in the DO that count, not those in the main show.

Thirdly, knowing that it's Len who has the casting vote, why would you pick that Salsa rather than the gorgeous Foxtrot??
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:51
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That and Anita's salsa wasn't a salsa, but a hip hop routine.
Yep. It wasn't... great... I don't know how it got 8s tbh.
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:41
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Firstly, she outscored Katie's Waltz by a mere 1 point - easily recoverable in a second attempt as Katie did not do it well first time round.

Secondly, it's the performances in the DO that count, not those in the main show.

Thirdly, knowing that it's Len who has the casting vote, why would you pick that Salsa rather than the gorgeous Foxtrot??
Because he had scored them the same - and both higher than Katie's? They might have felt Craig (marked the foxtrot a point less than Waltz and Samba) was the vote to chase.

It was one of those dance offs that could have gone either way without too much comment.
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Old 22-12-2016, 00:09
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Honestly I would bet very good money that the couples pick which of their two semi-final dances they want to reprise if they're in the DO before they're scored, in fact before the show even starts. Given the way the show runs (ie on rails) I would think they want enough notice as possible over what's coming up, rather than waiting on a nod from Danny Mac somewhere between the recording of the live show and the results over whether they're going to have to resurrect his 20ft pier
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Old 22-12-2016, 00:46
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What Planet does Len live on with his comments about no Dance experience why did he not aim that comment at the Producers who hired the Celebs that had Dance experience.

In the next series they should not allow anyone on the show with experience and then will be no need for the sort of comment Len came out with.
There's a difference between dance experience and ballroom/latin dance experience. Different disciplines.

Those who have danced - such as in musical theatre - are marked more severely than those with no experience.

Ore came from absolutely nothing and obviously Len, as an experienced teacher and judge, was going to be impressed by that.

Does it really matter what comments the judges make? They are entitled to their views but the public vote regardless.
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Old 22-12-2016, 09:36
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There's a difference between dance experience and ballroom/latin dance experience. Different disciplines.

Those who have danced - such as in musical theatre - are marked more severely than those with no experience.

Ore came from absolutely nothing and obviously Len, as an experienced teacher and judge, was going to be impressed by that.

Does it really matter what comments the judges make? They are entitled to their views but the public vote regardless.
I suspect that Len is experienced enough able to spot if someone has previously been taught ballroom or Latin. I would not be surprised if he could even pick up clues to who might gave taught them.
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