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Old 21-12-2016, 17:32
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I actually thought Dannys AS was more Genen Kelly than Ores

Ore just copied a lot of moves from the movie where the Danny AS reminded me of an American in Paris and Gene Kelly
And I think precisely the opposite. Ore captured the joy of the piece beautifully and it was exquisitely choreographed, danced and performed.

There was some passing nod to An American in Paris in Danny's, if you're squinting your eyes a lot.

But Danny totally failed to capture the ease, control and power of Kelly, in that overwrought and frantic effort, where Danny seemed to be rushing around after Oti.

In my opinion.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:44
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And I think precisely the opposite. Ore captured the joy of the piece beautifully and it was exquisitely choreographed, danced and performed.

There was some passing nod to An American in Paris in Danny's, if you're squinting your eyes a lot.

But Danny totally failed to capture the ease, control and power of Kelly, in that overwrought and frantic effort, where Danny seemed to be rushing around after Oti.

In my opinion.
Mine too. I'm not even a particular fan of Ore but Danny, while often a brilliant dancer, doesn't have the same physical presence of Ore or indeed Gene Kelly, to pull that off.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:50
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Mine too. I'm not even a particular fan of Ore but Danny, while often a brilliant dancer, doesn't have the same physical presence of Ore or indeed Gene Kelly, to pull that off.
Well expressed Domestos - the sort of grounded 'physical presence', and charisma.
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:54
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I agree, Danny was the image of Gene in that fabulous number.
and didnt need props or music from a film to manage it either
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Old 21-12-2016, 17:57
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and didnt need props or music from a film to manage it either
Probably another reason that for most he didn't resemble Gene Kelly at all.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:30
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Apologies Slappers, I thought you were talking about Danny's showdance, not his AS.

The AS - mmmmm can't remember, wafty and she threw herself off a shed is all that springs to mind.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:31
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Probably another reason that for most he didn't resemble Gene Kelly at all.
As someone else commented, Danny captured the spirit of Gene, but we all see what we want to see, and nothing, or no one will ever change that.
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:35
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Old 21-12-2016, 18:59
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As someone else commented, Danny captured the spirit of Gene, but we all see what we want to see, and nothing, or no one will ever change that.
You make me smile Walter, you ole Romantic, starry eyed thingy.

For moi, he captured the spirit of Troy Tempest on speed. (not really, I just thought it was funny)
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:18
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You make me smile Walter, you ole Romantic, starry eyed thingy.

For moi, he captured the spirit of Troy Tempest on speed. (not really, I just thought it was funny)
I grew up on Gene Kelly films, and saw them all the first time around.

I am glad that I can still be starry eyed and romantic at nearly 80.
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:26
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The Gene Kelly thing is just nonsense. Ore just copied the moves, Danny actually felt like he captured the spirit of Gene Kelly. The BBC were just obsessed with getting Ore to the final.
and didnt need props or music from a film to manage it either
Agree with these two comments even though Ore's was really good too
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Old 21-12-2016, 20:50
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The Gene Kelly thing is just nonsense. Ore just copied the moves, Danny actually felt like he captured the spirit of Gene Kelly. The BBC were just obsessed with getting Ore to the final.
Well that's lovely. But this is her point of view and it's a subject she has a very unique perspective of. So not exactly nonsense.
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Old 22-12-2016, 01:08
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I grew up on Gene Kelly films, and saw them all the first time around.

I am glad that I can still be starry eyed and romantic at nearly 80.
I have just past the 60s mark and grew up with all the old musicals when they were shown on BBC2 in the 60s
I come from a background where song and dance are second nature and I was sat down with mam and dad to watch all the old musicals and the stars that were in them

I always thought Gene Kelly was better than Fred Astair (I know its controversial) and loved An American in Paris and On The Town

I always wanted to be Ann Miller after watching On The Town
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Old 22-12-2016, 04:56
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I actually thought Dannys AS was more Genen Kelly than Ores

Ore just copied a lot of moves from the movie where the Danny AS reminded me of an American in Paris and Gene Kelly
Precisely. Full of content, polished, and looking deceptively easy.
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Old 22-12-2016, 08:21
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I'm sure if Pat Kelly thought Danny's dance was more Kelly's than Ore's she would have said so. She isn't and doesn't need to be in the BBC's pocket.

Come to think of it, if Gene Kelly had been standing there, you'd still argue the point. Get over it Pat complimented Ore and Joanne.
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Old 22-12-2016, 08:27
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I have just past the 60s mark and grew up with all the old musicals when they were shown on BBC2 in the 60s
I come from a background where song and dance are second nature and I was sat down with mam and dad to watch all the old musicals and the stars that were in them

I always thought Gene Kelly was better than Fred Astair (I know its controversial) and loved An American in Paris and On The Town

I always wanted to be Ann Miller after watching On The Town
Gene and Fred were different, but I loved them both. Ann Miller was my favourite tap dancer, and if you liked her in On The Town, you will love her in Kiss Me Kate. I remember seeing it at The Empire Leicester Square in 1953, and it was shown in 3D.

Another great dancer was Eleanor Powell, she only appeared in one film with Fred, they said that she intimidated him because some thought that she was even better than him, and if you watch them dancing to Begin te Beguine in Broadway Melody you will see what they mean. It is my favourite dance routine of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWW6QeeVzDc
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Old 22-12-2016, 10:38
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I actually thought Dannys AS was more Gene Kelly than Ores

Ore just copied a lot of moves from the movie where the Danny AS reminded me of an American in Paris and Gene Kelly

Exactly this.
For me Danny was so reminiscent of GK in that dance, even down to the clothes and the mood. But Ore and Jo certainly garnered all the Gene Kelly homage PR by using moves from the movie routine, and they performed them well.

I've no wish to detract from Ore's win at all, but for me Danny & Oti's AS was the dance of the series (except for the leaping off a platform bit at the end, I could have done without that.)
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Old 22-12-2016, 10:49
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I'm sure if Pat Kelly thought Danny's dance was more Kelly's than Ore's she would have said so. She isn't and doesn't need to be in the BBC's pocket.

Come to think of it, if Gene Kelly had been standing there, you'd still argue the point. Get over it Pat complimented Ore and Joanne.
^^ and this, very succinctly puts paid to THAT wishful thinking conspiracy. Well done
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:12
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I'm sure if Pat Kelly thought Danny's dance was more Kelly's than Ore's she would have said so. She isn't and doesn't need to be in the BBC's pocket.

Come to think of it, if Gene Kelly had been standing there, you'd still argue the point. Get over it Pat complimented Ore and Joanne.
She was probably not even aware of Danny's AS.

I personally think her getting involved after Ore did the Singing in the Rain dance was ridiculous. I am sure there are plenty of people in the public eye that have danced to a Gene Kelly number. Don't understand why Ore dancing the routine was such a big deal and no need for her to fly over to watch him dance
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:16
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I'm sure if Pat Kelly thought Danny's dance was more Kelly's than Ore's she would have said so. She isn't and doesn't need to be in the BBC's pocket.

Come to think of it, if Gene Kelly had been standing there, you'd still argue the point. Get over it Pat complimented Ore and Joanne.
Would Pat Kelly even have seen Danny & Oti's American Smooth? Their dance was in the style of Gene Kelly, while Joanne & Ore's was a direct tribute to one of Gene's best known and best loved dances, which is probably how the latter came to her attention. Personally, I thought both AS dances were fabulous.
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:20
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She was probably not even aware of Danny's AS.

I personally think her getting involved after Ore did the Singing in the Rain dance was ridiculous. I am sure there are plenty of people in the public eye that have danced to a Gene Kelly number. Don't understand why Ore dancing the routine was such a big deal and no need for her to fly over to watch him dance
It was watched by 10-11 million people in one of the biggest entertainment markets in the world. I'm sure she's familiar with the power of a good advert. Making a big deal of it is part of her job - she's primarily concerned with "furthering the legacy". She's done the same thing in America with both So You Think You Can Dance and Dancing With The Stars, and she already has pretty good links with the whole network of contacts the show operates within.
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Old 22-12-2016, 12:07
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It was watched by 10-11 million people in one of the biggest entertainment markets in the world. I'm sure she's familiar with the power of a good advert. Making a big deal of it is part of her job - she's primarily concerned with "furthering the legacy". She's done the same thing in America with both So You Think You Can Dance and Dancing With The Stars, and she already has pretty good links with the whole network of contacts the show operates within.
Sir Matt Bourne (who is a friend of hers) sent her the link to Ore and Jo's dance and she posted it to her facebook - in her note to Ore and joanne she said she would like to meet them when in London - she was always coming to London to see Matt's new production Red Shoes (Can't blame the beeb for taking advantage of that) - Matt was with her at Strictly on Saturday
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Old 23-12-2016, 22:36
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Gene and Fred were different, but I loved them both. Ann Miller was my favourite tap dancer, and if you liked her in On The Town, you will love her in Kiss Me Kate. I remember seeing it at The Empire Leicester Square in 1953, and it was shown in 3D.

Another great dancer was Eleanor Powell, she only appeared in one film with Fred, they said that she intimidated him because some thought that she was even better than him, and if you watch them dancing to Begin te Beguine in Broadway Melody you will see what they mean. It is my favourite dance routine of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWW6QeeVzDc
They were very different. I liked them both although personally I preferred Fred's seemingly 'effortless' elegance, but that's just a styling preference. I love Ann Miller especially in Too Darn Hot! I like Eleanor Powell too. I have to admit Ginger is my favourite though as she was more complete as singer, actress and dancer.
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Old 23-12-2016, 23:16
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I've no wish to detract from Ore's win at all, but for me Danny & Oti's AS was the dance of the series (except for the leaping off a platform bit at the end, I could have done without that.)
And the stupid handstand which was completely out of place, destroying the flow, and the faffing about at the beginning when there was no dancing going on at all, and ..... well, you'll perhaps understand why others might not be as impressed as you apparently were.
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Old 24-12-2016, 09:36
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Well that's lovely. But this is her point of view and it's a subject she has a very unique perspective of. So not exactly nonsense.
Well if the stories are true about her relationship with Gene, I really don't care what she thinks. Horrid woman.
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