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Old 20-12-2016, 21:58
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Boca Juniors forward Carlos Tevez has been offered a world-record wage to join Chinese Super League club Shanghai Shenhua, sources close to the player have told ESPN FC.

Former Manchester United and Manchester City striker Tevez is on the verge of joining Gus Poyet's side and is being offered £615,000 ($760,632) a week to make the move, the sources said.

Argentina's La Nacion newspaper said the 32-year-old could earn "more than Lionel Messi gets at Barcelona" if he made the move.

Ole reported that a switch to China for Tevez was not confirmed but said it was "imminent."
http://www.espnfc.com/story/3023887/...a-wage-sources

Not far off the combined wages of Cristiano Ronaldo AND Lionel Messi .. utterly insane.
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:02
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Good luck to anyone who coins it in before retirement, it's certainly not a football move.
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:05
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It is fast becoming a farce really, yes of course I can't blame the players for moving over there, if any human was offered such insane amounts of cash, most people would take it, but it is still obscene to see those sort of figures being paid per week.

It cannot be too long before someone is earning over a million pounds a week!

If they could get their hands on a Messi, Ronaldo, or maybe even Ibra if he fancied popping over there after his stint with us is complete, then those sort of players could probably earn that sort of money.
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:13
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It is fast becoming a farce really, yes of course I can't blame the players for moving over there, if any human was offered such insane amounts of cash, most people would take it, but it is still obscene to see those sort of figures being paid per week.

It cannot be too long before someone is earning over a million pounds a week!

If they could get their hands on a Messi, Ronaldo, or maybe even Ibra if he fancied popping over there after his stint with us is complete, then those sort of players could probably earn that sort of money.
Absolutely. As far as Messi or Ronaldo goes, I think they wouldn't blink at paying either of them a million a week, and probably after tax as well.

That's no disrespect to Zlatan either - i think he'd be close but not quite over.

It can't be sustainable though. Look at when they were paying upwards of £300k a week wages in the russian league - didn't christopher samba score that when he moved to anzhi ?.

That all came crashing down eventually which led to a fire sale at many clubs.
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:14
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Messi and/or Ronaldo would earn twice the money that Tevez is being offered, if they decided that they fancied it.

It would seem that money is virtually no object to some of their clubs, and this may just be the beginning of a shift in global football power. It's an open market, and they're entitled to offer whatever money it takes to get these players over there. European clubs with massive foreign investment have thrown money at it, and it's worked, on the whole.

A 'farce', it certainly isn't.
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Old 20-12-2016, 22:47
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It was mentioned in a piece I read about Oscar going over there that Rooney's 'people' have already been to China to see if was a viable place to spend the last couple of years of his career but they weren't impressed.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:16
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Absolutely. As far as Messi or Ronaldo goes, I think they wouldn't blink at paying either of them a million a week, and probably after tax as well.

That's no disrespect to Zlatan either - i think he'd be close but not quite over.

It can't be sustainable though. Look at when they were paying upwards of £300k a week wages in the russian league - didn't christopher samba score that when he moved to anzhi ?.

That all came crashing down eventually which led to a fire sale at many clubs.
The difference here and between one or two clubs like Anzahi, is that I think most of the cash in these Chinese clubs comes one way or another via the Chinese government, rather than one or two wealthy individuals, like we have seen elsewhere.

I have no clue where we will get two before even they say that us too much, two million a week, three million, or more than that??!
Surely even they have their limits.


Messi and/or Ronaldo would earn twice the money that Tevez is being offered, if they decided that they fancied it.

It would seem that money is virtually no object to some of their clubs, and this may just be the beginning of a shift in global football power. It's an open market, and they're entitled to offer whatever money it takes to get these players over there. European clubs with massive foreign investment have thrown money at it, and it's worked, on the whole.

A 'farce', it certainly isn't.
Thanks for agreeing with me over the Messi and Ronaldo bit, it will be interesting to see if they can sign someone who is either in their peak, or just coming into it, say like a future Neymar for example, that person could well earn huge mega bucks as well.

Having all of these foreign stars doesn't seem to be doing much for the international side, as they are still in the doldrums, perhaps they would be wise to spend more on home grown players?
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:17
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It was mentioned in a piece I read about Oscar going over there that Rooney's 'people' have already been to China to see if was a viable place to spend the last couple of years of his career but they weren't impressed.
If they offer him £700k a week, i'm sure he'd get impressed really quickly.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:21
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If they offer him £700k a week, i'm sure he'd get impressed really quickly.
Yeah, it is quite surprising how quickly a persons mind can be swayed, when there is an offer like that on the table!
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:35
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Yeah, it is quite surprising how quickly a persons mind can be swayed, when there is an offer like that on the table!
Yep.Grazianna Pelle left my club Southampton to play in China at the end of last season.

I think he is badly missed by the Saints, but I don't begrudge him leaving at all, as who in their right mind would turn down a quarter of a million quid a week? I know I couldn't....
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:38
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12 million quid for five months work.

Not too bad.
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Old 20-12-2016, 23:45
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Downside is the air quality in some of the major Chinese cities, it's really bad and why you see so many over there wearing masks. May make a lot of money very fast, but I reckon you will also shorten your life pretty fast too - 90 minutes of running round in that is something no amount money would compensate me for.
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Old 21-12-2016, 01:02
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For players over 30 like Tevez and Pelle I imagine the decision 'could' be easier. An incredible pay package to see out the rest of their career.

But 25 year old Oscar, with probably another decade of football ahead of him, I'd be surprised if he didn't think long and hard about it in spite of the amount offered. It depends on how they view the fact they'd be instant stars in that lower standard league vs what it does to their international careers.. And is the fact that playing Kashima Antlers or Sydney FC in the AFC champions league final being as good as it gets at club level, enough to justify the move? I would say it's certainly unfair to sit back and say "honour or greed". At the end of the day it's about what the right choice is for the player and his family if he has one.
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Old 21-12-2016, 07:47
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Messi and/or Ronaldo would earn twice the money that Tevez is being offered, if they decided that they fancied it.

It would seem that money is virtually no object to some of their clubs, and this may just be the beginning of a shift in global football power. It's an open market, and they're entitled to offer whatever money it takes to get these players over there. European clubs with massive foreign investment have thrown money at it, and it's worked, on the whole.

A 'farce', it certainly isn't.


There is nowhere near a global shift and it certainly is a farce. Having a handful of over the hill famous names looking for a quick megabuck doesnt disguise the fact that the rest of the league is made up of 90% dross. Heck, even at 41 if Beckham pulled his boots on again they would pay him a similar amount. Players are swayed by the ludicrous money, but wont hang around long when they realise what the reality us out there.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:11
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There is nowhere near a global shift and it certainly is a farce. Having a handful of over the hill famous names looking for a quick megabuck doesnt disguise the fact that the rest of the league is made up of 90% dross. Heck, even at 41 if Beckham pulled his boots on again they would pay him a similar amount. Players are swayed by the ludicrous money, but wont hang around long when they realise what the reality us out there.
Of course this is not how the biggest brand in football started.

The comment was this is "MAYBE THE BEGINNING"

And that much is true, At the moment its older players but its a logical step that once they get the brand name strong enough that they will start target younger players, They don't need to hang around long as they will just create a convener belt of players coming in, As you get more talent come in the levels of will go up.

It really depends on if they can maintain the massive investment long term, Its not going to be a quick process, Its going to take years to get a foot hold due The Premiership being such a strong name but we are seeing markets like China becoming stronger and more important to clubs other here so a natural progression is those markets wanting their own piece of the pie.
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:22
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Of course this is not how the biggest brand in football started.

The comment was this is "MAYBE THE BEGINNING"

And that much is true, At the moment its older players but its a logical step that once they get the brand name strong enough that they will start target younger players, They don't need to hang around long as they will just create a convener belt of players coming in, As you get more talent come in the levels of will go up.

It really depends on if they can maintain the massive investment long term, Its not going to be a quick process, Its going to take years to get a foot hold due The Premiership being such a strong name but we are seeing markets like China becoming stronger and more important to clubs other here so a natural progression is those markets wanting their own piece of the pie.
Thanks Don, you've pretty much nailed what I was getting at.

I wasn't implying that this is likely to be a shift in the short-to-mid term, and it may well all come to nothing in a few years time.

However, besides the money, they have an enormous potential fan base. Many of these people already watch the Premier League on a regular basis, and the numbers are why most of the major European clubs have been over there for pre-season.

The government backing is also interesting. The possibility of state-sponsored football academies, with top coaches from around the world, could lead to a huge improvement in the standard of local players. Do that, bring in the big names, get the marketing right, and who knows?
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:41
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Thanks Don, you've pretty much nailed what I was getting at.

I wasn't implying that this is likely to be a shift in the short-to-mid term, and it may well all come to nothing in a few years time.

However, besides the money, they have an enormous potential fan base. Many of these people already watch the Premier League on a regular basis, and the numbers are why most of the major European clubs have been over there for pre-season.

The government backing is also interesting. The possibility of state-sponsored football academies, with top coaches from around the world, could lead to a huge improvement in the standard of local players. Do that, bring in the big names, get the marketing right, and who knows?
Leagues have their time and with the domestic TV rights surely either reaching the ceiling or approaching it and the importance of overseas rights being more important we could be seeing the start of the end of the Premier League being the biggest dog so someone will have to take its place, If somewhere like China has some big names and have to right investment and it invested in the right way they could be in the right place at the right time, Of course its still a big ask for them to become a force but they do seem to be putting the right foundations in place
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:42
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Messi and/or Ronaldo would earn twice the money that Tevez is being offered, if they decided that they fancied it.

It would seem that money is virtually no object to some of their clubs, and this may just be the beginning of a shift in global football power. It's an open market, and they're entitled to offer whatever money it takes to get these players over there. European clubs with massive foreign investment have thrown money at it, and it's worked, on the whole.

A 'farce', it certainly isn't.
indeed

is the IPL a farce compared to county cricket? nope it instatnly became popular

more big players go to china more hope they have of selling the league to rest of world.

i know i would watch but havnt seen it listed anywhere yet
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Old 21-12-2016, 09:50
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Thanks Don, you've pretty much nailed what I was getting at.

I wasn't implying that this is likely to be a shift in the short-to-mid term, and it may well all come to nothing in a few years time.

However, besides the money, they have an enormous potential fan base. Many of these people already watch the Premier League on a regular basis, and the numbers are why most of the major European clubs have been over there for pre-season.

The government backing is also interesting. The possibility of state-sponsored football academies, with top coaches from around the world, could lead to a huge improvement in the standard of local players. Do that, bring in the big names, get the marketing right, and who knows?
There are many leagues that have tried similar methods from the early days of MLS, with Valderama, Matthaus, and Zenga, to the current Indian Super League with Del Piero, Ljunberg etc, the success rate varies drastically.

The key is how the domestic players do, as just importing foreign players on high salaries is no sure fire way to achieve a successful domestic league.

If along the way, the Chinese players improve, and the league actually becomes competitive, and the national team achieves better results, than this would all have been worth the effort, and monumental amounts of cash being thrown at the foreign players.

Also quite how team morale works when presumably there is a gigantic difference between the top earners in a team, and the more modest earners, I don't know, there must be a tiny bit of jealousy there, it would only be human really.
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:03
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MLS is a poor comparison, in my opinion.

The US is a much harder sell than virtually any other country. The huge success of 'their own' sports, and the relative lack of people with any interest in football at all, means that they were always up against it.
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Old 21-12-2016, 10:08
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MLS is a poor comparison, in my opinion.

The US is a much harder sell than virtually any other country. The huge success of 'their own' sports, and the relative lack of people with any interest in football at all, means that they were always up against it.
Surely the problem is the interest in football from their perspective, rather than an interest in soccer!

I get what you mean, but the methods they used in setting up their league in 1996, are not that much different to what China, India, or even Japan have or are doing when their professional leagues were set up.

Some have been more successful than others, (Japan's J-league for example had flourished), and if China can have a league that is of a food standard, then these initial outlays on foreign stars, will have been worth it.
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Old 21-12-2016, 22:57
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If you go to play in China in your 20s you should be banned from returning to any non-backwater league.
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Old 21-12-2016, 23:35
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If you go to play in China in your 20s you should be banned from returning to any non-backwater league.
Why?

If you manage to get a very well paid contract in your chosen industry should that mean future employment opportunities are minimised?

In what reality is that a actual thing?

Fans really have got to get over this nonsense that being a professional footballer is somehow different then any other chosen career.

It's a job not some romantic calling in life
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Old 22-12-2016, 00:23
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Because the Chinese league is a retirement home so footballers going there in their prime are wasters. I'm not seriously advocating any actual rule change, I probably shouldn't stress.
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Old 22-12-2016, 06:09
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Because the Chinese league is a retirement home so footballers going there in their prime are wasters. I'm not seriously advocating any actual rule change, I probably shouldn't stress.
How are they wasters? They are paid money to do a job and am awful lot more money then they can earn anywhere else

We are not talking about a few quid more we are talking considerable amount of money more, With Oscar not only are we talking massive figure wages wise it's likely to include a very large signing on fee and very large bonuses.

Going to a a job to earn millions less is surely more of a waste?
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