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Old 22-12-2016, 07:30
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I do wonder how these Chinese clubs are funded. The are certainly not able to pay those stupid wages based on gate receipts.
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:19
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How are they wasters? They are paid money to do a job and am awful lot more money then they can earn anywhere else

We are not talking about a few quid more we are talking considerable amount of money more, With Oscar not only are we talking massive figure wages wise it's likely to include a very large signing on fee and very large bonuses.

Going to a a job to earn millions less is surely more of a waste?
Don't get me wrong, it is a job (I admire the openness of Assou-Ekotto and others who admit as such) and nice work if you can get it and good luck to them and all that, but say when Eden Hazard was announcing which club he was moving to that time - if he'd decided that instead of Chelsea or the other big cheese suitors he was going to Montreal Impact who were offering him untold riches would no part of you think he's wasting some of the best years of his career?
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:27
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Don't get me wrong, it is a job (I admire the openness of Assou-Ekotto and others who admit as such) and nice work if you can get it and good luck to them and all that, but say when Eden Hazard was announcing which club he was moving to that time - if he'd decided that instead of Chelsea or the other big cheese suitors he was going to Montreal Impact who were offering him untold riches would no part of you think he's wasting some of the best years of his career?
Not at all.

Its a job at the end of the day and you go where the money is.

We are not talking about earning a small amount of more money where if that was the case I could see a case of it being a waste of time for example he is rumored to be currently earning 90k per week and they was offering 110k per week as he could realistically earn that sort of money in other clubs/leagues BUT we are talking about the sort of contract that no matter what he does as a player or what ever club he goes to he has next to no chance of earning anywhere near the level of money being offered.

The contract is just too good to turn down no matter what the age unless you are Ronaldo or Messi
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Old 22-12-2016, 11:33
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I understand in financial terms it's hard to turn down money being thrown down your neck and I admire the likes of Assou-Ekotto who happily admit that football is just a job that they're good at, but talking purely football terms he'd be the best player in a team filled with jabronis and a league stuffed to the gills with them. I couldn't begrudge anyone cashing in during a career that lasts fifteen years if you're relatively lucky, but at the same time they're wasting natural ability.
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Old 22-12-2016, 12:22
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I understand in financial terms it's hard to turn down money being thrown down your neck and I admire the likes of Assou-Ekotto who happily admit that football is just a job that they're good at, but talking purely football terms he'd be the best player in a team filled with jabronis and a league stuffed to the gills with them. I couldn't begrudge anyone cashing in during a career that lasts fifteen years if you're relatively lucky, but at the same time they're wasting natural ability.
Surely its a bigger waste of natural talent if your not earning the maximum amount of money you can? The problem is football has changed from the what it was, Players are now more business like in terms of their career and rightly so.

He could be seen as wasting his talent or could be seen as an early adapter to what could be the next big market place in football, History will be the judge but either way this one contract means he has an awful lot more freedom for the rest of his career as just two seasons will set him up for life and will mean his future decisions can be based on other things more then financial
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Old 22-12-2016, 13:43
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It could work out great for him of course, but from the emotive and traditional side of football I can't help but think such players are throwing years away. The logical side and the fact they're people supporting a lifestyle and family of course says otherwise, but that side's in the background for me with this.
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:02
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It could work out great for him of course, but from the emotive and traditional side of football I can't help but think such players are throwing years away. The logical side and the fact they're people supporting a lifestyle and family of course says otherwise, but that side's in the background for me with this.
Could we not have said the same about the start of the Premiership? Players started to come here for the money, While yes we was not the low level of China the old first division was not really anything special.

I think we need to change our thinking when it comes to the emotive and traditional side of the game, Its not easy (I still get in a mood with changes for TV and insane away game fixtures) but I do think its something we has fans have to embrace come to terms with etc etc. With so many revenue streams stemming from football and more needed to keep up with the costs of maintaining a top team I think these are the sort of things that will come more and more common, China I think will become one of the most interesting things to watch over the next couple of years not just in terms of the game in the country but also how it effects the income of the clubs in other countries
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:09
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The Premier League compares as a model, but China not having a real football history is the difference for me, like Qatar hosting a World Cup even if the bid had been fair and legit.
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:16
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The Premier League compares as a model, but China not having a real football history is the difference for me, like Qatar hosting a World Cup even if the bid had been fair and legit.
Who knows in x amount of years people in China might be saying the same about football in Qatar.

Its a new world and TV is making it smaller and smaller and places like China are a massive part of the small world.

Think its just a natural progression from what the Premier League has created.

The Premier League and how it has grown and the speed it has grown has meant that tradition etc has taken a back burner to everything else
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Old 22-12-2016, 14:39
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I do wonder how these Chinese clubs are funded. The are certainly not able to pay those stupid wages based on gate receipts.
How many teams in the top level of English football are able to pay the stupid wages on offer based on gate receipts?
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:29
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If they have that much money why not sign players in their prime rather than has beens?
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:23
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If they have that much money why not sign players in their prime rather than has beens?
They have done so, see players like Hulk, Oscar, Gervinho, Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse, Gael Kakuta, Graziano Pelle, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Alex Teixeira, and Jackson Martinez.
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:45
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Gael Kakuta's definitely not a has-been, he's a never-been.
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Old 22-12-2016, 20:03
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Well, I'm guessing with the lack of competition or competitiveness in the Chinese league, it might be easier to get the older players who don't mind winding down. They do have younger players like Alex Teixeira, but I imagine it being a harder sell to the younger players who'll want to test themselves in the better leagues. If they offered £600k a week to Messi, I'm guessing he'd rather stay at Barcelona for now while his body can still handle it and he still enjoys playing football at the highest level.

It might also be harder from an international POV if you're playing in China at its current standard. Older players don't have to worry about that.
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Old 22-12-2016, 20:31
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Well, I'm guessing with the lack of competition or competitiveness in the Chinese league, it might be easier to get the older players who don't mind winding down. They do have younger players like Alex Teixeira, but I imagine it being a harder sell to the younger players who'll want to test themselves in the better leagues. If they offered £600k a week to Messi, I'm guessing he'd rather stay at Barcelona for now while his body can still handle it and he still enjoys playing football at the highest level.

It might also be harder from an international POV if you're playing in China at its current standard. Older players don't have to worry about that.
I think the higher wages will be very tempting indeed for the younger ones, if there is a potential deal in China where after taxes you could earn say approximately £300,000 a week, whilst the best deal in Europe was say, "only" about £100,000 a week, then the temptation to take the higher wage must be huge.

As we have seen, it isn't just the older players moving there now, players in their peak, and those still to reach it, are moving over there now, so I do think in the next couple of years, we might be seeing a somewhat shift in player movements, and players might be actually wanting to move over there

Internally it will be interesting, as just like with say the case Giovinco in Toronto in MLS, it might be that no matter how well you do in the Chinese league, how people see the league might be held against the player.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:57
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As we have seen, it isn't just the older players moving there now, players in their peak, and those still to reach it, are moving over there now
We haven't really seen that yet. From the players you mentioned most are in their 30s and there's only Oscar and to a much lesser extent Gervinho who could be considered as star players in their peak. Oscar could set a precedent, but we're not seeing a trend yet.
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Old 23-12-2016, 00:57
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We haven't really seen that yet. From the players you mentioned most are in their 30s and there's only Oscar and to a much lesser extent Gervinho who could be considered as star players in their peak. Oscar could set a precedent, but we're not seeing a trend yet.
There is Alex Teixeira as well, who is one could say in his peak (26 years of age), and Gael Kakuta (25 years old), but I take your point, but the gate is very much open now, and I can see more and more younger players taking the cash if offered to them.
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:18
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Teixera's talented but is one of approximately three Brazilian players on the planet not to have been capped by the national team and Kakuta's already halfway through a career that promised so much but has only just passed the 100-game mark, most of them being on loan to various clubs. Kakuta in particular enjoyed his peak when he was touted as the next big thing and before reality kicked in.
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:38
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Teixera's talented but is one of approximately three Brazilian players on the planet not to have been capped by the national team and Kakuta's already halfway through a career that promised so much but has only just passed the 100-game mark, most of them being on loan to various clubs. Kakuta in particular enjoyed his peak when he was touted as the next big thing and before reality kicked in.
He was also at Shakhtar Donetsk for 6 seasons. A team of their standing would never have been able to prevent him joining one of Europe's big clubs if they wanted him during that time. Now all of the continent's big boys might have got it wrong, but it's clear they couldn't have rated him that highly or one of them would have got him long before he went to China. Liverpool did make a bid which he was apparently keen on, but it was at around same time as the bid came in from China which was much bigger than their offer so it was rejected.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:22
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Oscar wont last a year there.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:55
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Oscar wont last a year there.
Then he would have earned an awful lot of money and will sign for a club still earning very good wages
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:00
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Just when you thought PL wages were ridiculous.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:22
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Perhaps the most astounding thing about the figures being banded about is that Chelsea are going to get £60m for Oscar.
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Old 23-12-2016, 19:48
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I do wonder how these Chinese clubs are funded. The are certainly not able to pay those stupid wages based on gate receipts.
Think Premier League sugar daddies to the power of 10 then add hard-core government backing.

This article explains it fairly well:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...er-League.html

BTW I think the Chinese presidents aims are laudable, but it's going to backfire. The more class players they import, the more the development of the native Chinese players will be stunted. There is a huge gulf in class at the moment and the fans will become even more demanding for quality performers. I don't think they'll have the patience to wait for their very own Messi to develop.

Perhaps the most astounding thing about the figures being banded about is that Chelsea are going to get £60m for Oscar.
That is an astounding bit of business. He'll probably be back in a year or two for a much reduced fee as well.
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Old 23-12-2016, 20:29
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Then he would have earned an awful lot of money and will sign for a club still earning very good wages
Therefore reinforcing my point that the "big" players wont hang around there.
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