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Well exactly. The last significant terrorist attack in the UK was the London bombings on 7 July 2005, over 11 years ago! The "Security Services" have been claiming the terror threat is severe for ages now when in reality the threat varies between "miniscule" and "non-existent".
But as you say, exaggerating the terror threat sells newspapers and helps governments to pass laws restricting our freedom. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...urity-services |
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We have been on high alert for decades.
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The problem there is that if you've been on the maximum level of alert for years-decades, what do you do if you need to increase the alert level?
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The problem there is that if you've been on the maximum level of alert for years-decades, what do you do if you need to increase the alert level?
"CRITICAL means an attack is expected imminently" |
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There's a photo on the front of one of the tabloids today of the Nativity display outside Canterbury Cathedral, fronted by police officers with machine guns
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Absolutely right, And since then, not a single terror attack has been foiled, and no-one had been convicted of terrorist offences. Or not.
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We're currently at SEVERE. The next level is CRITICAL.
"CRITICAL means an attack is expected imminently" You could go to CRITICAL... but then what happens if you then go on to get specific information? Quote:
The chances of being caught up in a terrorist attack are slim
Even if all the terrorist attacks that have been foiled (or it's been claimed have been foiled, for those who prefer that terminology), I'd estimate that it's far more likely that if someone kiils or injures another person, it'll be someone who didn't mean to do it. And even if they did mean it, it's more likely to be personal. |
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Quite. SEVERE is the highest level short of definite information that an attack (or actions leading to an attack) is in progress. What do you do when you've been at SEVERE for ages, and then you become more concerned about the possibility of an attack but without any definite information to confirm it?
You could go to CRITICAL... but then what happens if you then go on to get specific information? |
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Quite. SEVERE is the highest level short of definite information that an attack (or actions leading to an attack) is in progress. What do you do when you've been at SEVERE for ages, and then you become more concerned about the possibility of an attack but without any definite information to confirm it?
You could go to CRITICAL... but then what happens if you then go on to get specific information? |
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You wouldn't go to CRITICAL unless there was specific intelligence that an attack was imminent.
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Well exactly. The last significant terrorist attack in the UK was the London bombings on 7 July 2005, over 11 years ago! The "Security Services" have been claiming the terror threat is severe for ages now when in reality the threat varies between "miniscule" and "non-existent".
But as you say, exaggerating the terror threat sells newspapers and helps governments to pass laws restricting our freedom. Lee Rigby was butchered in broad daylight ony a few years ago. Does that not constitute a major incident? |
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well I've heeded the Security services message to avoid large crowds
I've started supporting West Bromwich Albion |
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Kind of my point...
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Lee Rigby was butchered in broad daylight ony a few years ago. Does that not constitute a major incident?
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The chances of being caught up in a terrorist attack are slim
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Do you really believe that propaganda? If, as the security services claim, they've foiled at least 10 attacks in the past two years, perhaps they could tell us more? As in who was going to carry out the attacks, where they were going to take place, how they would have happened? Anyone can quote an arbitrary figure, only the gullible would believe it without evidence.
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The counter-terrorism network and security services have successfully foiled at least 10 attacks in the last two years, with 294 convictions for terror-related offences.”
That is a fact.
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Indeed. Frankly it doesn't bother me at all. There is far more chance of me being taken out by some wally while out for a drive.
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Do you really believe that propaganda? If, as the security services claim, they've foiled at least 10 attacks in the past two years, perhaps they could tell us more? As in who was going to carry out the attacks, where they were going to take place, how they would have happened? Anyone can quote an arbitrary figure, only the gullible would believe it without evidence.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6948311.html http://www.wsj.com/articles/british-...don-1451419649 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...office-figures Those are quite extraordinary claims and such extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Why have the security services been lying to us? To what end? |
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Brown Alert
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We've been at severe threat level for a good couple of years now? It doesn't stop me living my life. My husband and I were in Birmingham German market Friday evening, packed out and full of people. We had fun and had the attack happened in Berlin before we went we'd have still gone. If anything the only thing on my mind while there was pick pockets as opposed to terrorism
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What point? The level would go up to critical. Did you think severe was the highest level? Are you saying the the likelihood of an attack isn't and hasn't been severe?
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well I've heeded the Security services message to avoid large crowds
I've started supporting West Bromwich Albion ![]()
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Unfortunately an attack takes very little organising, a gun and a lorry is all that is needed, the lorries are there for the picking in laybys and lorry parks. It appears from what has been disclosed that the latest Berlin incident was done in a similar way.
The huge carnage that can be committed not just by picking a market but any busy high street or even a busy motorway. The markets and fairs can be protected to some degree but other places are far more difficult or even impossible to protect in any significant way. Sad to say, anyone determined to inflict carnage in a big way really would not find it too difficult to do so. |
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I was born in 1978 and have always lived in the UK. During that time there have been terrorist strikes by the IRA, in fact I was witness to one on my very early days of living in London at Ealing Broadway station.
I was on the Piccadilly Line on 7th July 2005 when the London bombings occurred followed by a mad dash through other affected and cordoned off parts of London. I'm still alive to tell the tale. I'm used to it, and I'm sure as hell not going to let the threat of terrorism make me afraid or change my life in order to avoid it. Its of course tragic when innocent civillians are killed or injured in these attacks but we need to show these people we aren't going to cower into a corner over this. |
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Unfortunately an attack takes very little organising, a gun and a lorry is all that is needed, the lorries are there for the picking in laybys and lorry parks. It appears from what has been disclosed that the latest Berlin incident was done in a similar way.
The huge carnage that can be committed not just by picking a market but any busy high street or even a busy motorway. The markets and fairs can be protected to some degree but other places are far more difficult or even impossible to protect in any significant way. Sad to say, anyone determined to inflict carnage in a big way really would not find it too difficult to do so. |
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