DS Forums

 
 

The 7 year old suicide bomber last week.


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 21-12-2016, 16:31
What name??
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 21,517
As far as I can tell, unless god makes an exception, it's fires of hell and no mistake. Islam makes a lot of not committing suicide.
That is too wide a statement to be useful. It is like saying Christianity frowns on murder. Whilst it is true, there are so many exceptions which vary in so many different sects that it is clearly not an absolute. The attitude to murder of a Quaker is clearly very different to that in Catholicism, or Jim Jones and yet they are all Christian.

Clearly the attitude to suicide killings, and sacrifice differs between the ISIS, Islamists, mainstream sunni and sufi. But they are all still clearly Muslim despite the denials of some.

So when someone says that's not Islamic it comes across as dishonest to many - since there are people clearly doing it in the name of Islam. It's more honest to say the Islam I believe in, or I grew up with etc doesn't believe that that is right than Muslims as a whole don't believe in X or Y.
What name?? is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 21-12-2016, 16:36
What name??
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 21,517
Horrific, if true.

But has it been verified? Lots of Fake News and Syrian Propaganda knocking around.
There was the report of it happening at the time, they didn't exaggerate the damage inflicted, and then the parents made a video - of the preparation of the children because they really are sick enough to think that releasing a video of them preparing to murder their children is a good and inspiring thing. Of course we can't go and interview them or independently verify it but I think in propaganda terms this is too unbelievable for anyone to fake. It seems like a coherent story just so sick that it is difficult to believe that people are that far gone. But there are very very evil people in this world.
What name?? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 16:47
What name??
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 21,517
I think the thing about martyrdom is that the martyr doesn't actually have the intention of killing themself, even though they might put themself, or even be put, into such a position, where they're unlikely to survive.
That is the Christian definition of a martyr which certainly does differ from the Islamic one. In the Islamic dictionary you seem to have people who decide on mass murder referring to themselves as martyrs which makes absolutely no sense in standard English. Clearly they aren't a martyr they are a suicide-killer. But clearly under some theology they define themselves as such.

However as a secular term it can be used when the person does have an intention to die, if and only if they die in order to save others. So we had the situation with the Airline when passengers deliberately crashed it to avoid it being used as a weapon against others. They were colloquially referred to as martyrs though obviously not religious ones and I don't think that was incorrect. In that sense a martyr is someone who gives up their life to save others.
What name?? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 16:55
MrQuike
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 10,274
[That is the Christian definition of a martyr which certainly does differ from the Islamic one. In the Islamic dictionary you seem to have people who decide on mass murder referring to themselves as martyrs which makes absolutely no sense in standard English. Clearly they aren't a martyr they are a suicide-killer. But clearly under some theology they define themselves as such.

However as a secular term it can be used when the person does have an intention to die, if and only if they die in order to save others. So we had the situation with the Airline when passengers deliberately crashed it to avoid it being used as a weapon against others. They were colloquially referred to as martyrs though obviously not religious ones and I don't think that was incorrect. In that sense a martyr is someone who gives up their life to save others.
I disagree on all counts.
MrQuike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 17:08
RobinOfLoxley
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Devon
Posts: 12,838
There was the report of it happening at the time, they didn't exaggerate the damage inflicted, and then the parents made a video - of the preparation of the children because they really are sick enough to think that releasing a video of them preparing to murder their children is a good and inspiring thing. Of course we can't go and interview them or independently verify it but I think in propaganda terms this is too unbelievable for anyone to fake. It seems like a coherent story just so sick that it is difficult to believe that people are that far gone. But there are very very evil people in this world.
I did have a Google around, before I posted (and accidentally stumbled on un-blurred body parts, , in a wrecked room/building)

But we know that half of Damascus and most of Aleppo looks like Stalingrad and people are killed daily, including children.

ie It's a Ready made 'film set'. It's not impossible that this is a fake to discredit the 'Terrorist Monsters'.


It just has the ring of Babies being Bayoneted in Incubators to me.
RobinOfLoxley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 20:16
Bagshot85
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 5,806
Just to answer a few on here who quoted what I said earlier.
I'm a Muslim, born and bred proud Lancastrian. If I speak about Islam, I have a darn sight more knowledge than you do, so please refrain from the patronising comments. I've had 30 years experience of it, and if I say that what these perpetrators do in the name of Islam is wholly offensive to most if the Islamic world, then I'm not lying.
Of course most terrorist these days bleat that they are doing it in the name of Islam. However, most would argue they're doing a whole lot of damage to Islam itself...alot more damage than "evil West".
Nearly a third of the world are Muslims, it's the fastest growing religion in the world. If every Muslim was a terrorist at heart, this planet would be a mound of ash.
Bagshot85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 20:22
Bagshot85
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 5,806
I think the thing about martyrdom is that the martyr doesn't actually have the intention of killing themself, even though they might put themself, or even be put, into such a position, where they're unlikely to survive. If a martyr is killed for their religious belief then someone else has done the killing.

The twin towers attack, for example, would have been a straight forward suicidal and murderous attack.
Yes, a martyr is someone killed for their religion or in the path of fighting for their religion.
Although, a woman who dies giving birth/pregnant or whilst she's menstruating, is also considered a martyr.
Going on a killing spree, whilst killing innocent folk is considered murder. Any death of an innocent isn't going to get a you VIP pass into heaven.
Bagshot85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 21:55
Flash525
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Gloucestershire, England
Posts: 4,798
I'm a Muslim, born and bred proud Lancastrian. If I speak about Islam, I have a darn sight more knowledge than you do, so please refrain from the patronising comments. I've had 30 years experience of it, and if I say that what these perpetrators do in the name of Islam is wholly offensive to most if the Islamic world, then I'm not lying. Of course most terrorist these days bleat that they are doing it in the name of Islam. However, most would argue they're doing a whole lot of damage to Islam itself...alot more damage than "evil West".
I believe you, but a lot of people are short sighted and believe everything they read in the bias media.

The joke is that people blame Islam, when Islam isn't responsible. Acts of similar barbaric nature have been undertaken throughout our history, some of which has been in the name of Christianity etc. Islam is not at fault here, the sadistic pricks forcing others to blow themselves up and kill innocents are the ones to blame.
Flash525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 23:43
muggins14
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: The Pit of Despair
Posts: 50,183
I wonder if they had detonated and activated in their mind and couldn't decide which to use?

Either way, this was not a 7 year old suicide bomber, this was a 7 year old victim of terrorism.
Indeed. It's also not a new phenomenon - groups in many countries have used children (Sierra Leone coming to my mind first) to do their dirty work, fight for them, kill for them, die for them.
muggins14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 23:54
planets
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: goo goo ka choo
Posts: 25,475
Indeed. It's also not a new phenomenon - groups in many countries have used children (Sierra Leone coming to my mind first) to do their dirty work, fight for them, kill for them, die for them.
Yes and during Vietnam it was an oft used method.
planets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-12-2016, 00:01
ShaunIOW
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Isle of Wight
Posts: 7,811
Apparently both the girls mother was the one in the video.
What kind of depraved person sends off kids into a suicide mission, never mind their own parents?
If the evil cow felt that strongly, perhaps she should have blown herself up.
This was murder...plain and simple. No religion in the world endorses this depravity. This is a mad cult, an epidemic sweeping across collecting up stupid, uneducated folk. The perpetrators are usually people who have never grown up with Islam around them. They're either converts, or born again Muslims. I doubt they pray 5 times a day, or know the basics of Islam. If they did, they wouldn't behave like rabid apes..that need to be put down. Their leader, has proclaimed himself the next Caliph, with is tantamount to blasphemy in Islam. The irony of these stupid disillusioned t**ts who think they're fighting Islam's corner, you're not... f**k right off.
Isn't it funny how these people ranting about taking up arms, are never the ones to do it themselves? It's always some young child or a crazed loner who's the one doing it.
Thats not just restricted to religious fanatics, the same applies to politicians as I never noticed Blair, Cameron or any of the MP's calling for military action in the Middle-East or Afganistan being prepared to go there and fight themeselves rather than sending some other poor sod to do their dirty work.
ShaunIOW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-12-2016, 01:00
droogiefret
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: looking for tinned loganberrie
Posts: 17,502
This story chilled me the core. With poor little Alan Kurdi lying face down on a beach on Turkey, the whole world paused - in prayer and in shock. I was shocked at the image, it seemed a game changer. How could this be allowed to happen?

Last week, a 7 year old girl wondered into a police station in Damascus. She said she was lost and scared. The police brought her into the police reception and it was there she exploded. It turned out she was wearing a concealed suicide belt. I saw photos of the aftermath - including the poor girl's head.. I have to admit I have not recovered from the image. Today a video emerged of the girl's Al Nusra affiliated father - lecturing the girls (the girl's sister too who is 9) on their mission and the plan. The girls are hugged by a woman in a burka and then the video ends.

For me this incident is the lowest and most bass act I have seen. The mainstream media did not feel the tragedy was worth pushing and in many cases even reporting, but for me - it sums up how nightmarish Syria has become.
I have the news always open in my browser. I didn't see this at all. What a horrible story.
Oh these moderate Syrian rebels. At it again.
And there you have it. The Western media, as far as I can make out, has been, at best, guilty of the worst kind of gullibility, and at worst just outright lying about the situation in Syria.

The atrocities performed by the Russsians, the civilian executions performed by the Syrian government, the heroics of the 'white helmets'. As far as I can make out it is all unsubstantiated and untrue.

What seems to be the case is that while fighting IS elsewhere, the West has funded and supported other Jihadis in Aleppo in support of regime change. It simply does not suit the Western agenda to report on atrocities committed by the 'moderate' rebels we are supporting.

I just don't know where to get unbiased news anymore.
droogiefret is online now   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:34.