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Dr. Linus
30-12-2016
I have to admit that I personally wouldn't rule out the worst and I think there is cause for concern - a 90 year old woman being flu-ridden for 2 weeks and counting is always pretty worrying.

However, I do think that in the ages we're in, were the Queen in a very, very serious state, some opportunist member of staff would have passed it on to the press. I'm pretty sure that when she dies the news will break/be circulating on social media before it's announced properly.

I wish her well, in any case.
Mark.
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“I think that may not be the alternative. There may be a plan in place for it to go straight to Wills. Otherwise the Queen would have retired years ago and passed the baton to Charlie then.”

Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I honestly think a reason she has never stepped down is she doesn't trust Charlie with it.”

She's never abdicated because she's devoutly religious.

Part of the coronation is about how the new monarch's subjects were given to them by God to rule and govern. To abdicate, therefore, would be to contradict the perceived will of God.
Soomacdoo
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“She's never abdicated because she's devoutly religious.

Part of the coronation is about how the new monarch's subjects were given to them by God to rule and govern. To abdicate, therefore, would be to contradict the perceived will of God.”

That maybe so but in this day and age no-one expects a 90 year old woman to work full-time. She would have abdicated if she felt her successor could be trusted.
Dr. Linus
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“That maybe so but in this day and age no-one expects a 90 year old woman to work full-time. She would have abdicated if she felt her successor could be trusted.”

That's a massive assumption. Could it be that she actually enjoys the work and, not having had a life without since her 20s, does not like the idea of being without it again?There's loads of people who don't stop working because they're fearful of what will happen when they do - and people who do drop dead almost immediately when they retire.

I personally think it's a silly idea to abdicate unless she had some sort of serious issue that meant she couldn't do the job in any way. Given that she's done the job for 63 years she might as well run the course, as long as she's happy to.
Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“I think that may not be the alternative. There may be a plan in place for it to go straight to Wills. Otherwise the Queen would have retired years ago and passed the baton to Charlie then.”

The whole point of hereditary monarch by primogeniture is that it's a lottery of birthright. It would take an act of Parliament to disinherit Charles and would probably be unconstitutional.
Dr. Linus
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“The whole point of hereditary monarch by primogeniture is that it's a lottery of birthright. It would take an act of Parliament to disinherit Charles and would probably be unconstitutional.”

They don't need to do that if Charles willingly abdicates - and they certainly wouldn't even raise the idea if Charles wasn't willing.
Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“I have to admit that I personally wouldn't rule out the worst and I think there is cause for concern - a 90 year old woman being flu-ridden for 2 weeks and counting is always pretty worrying.

However, I do think that in the ages we're in, were the Queen in a very, very serious state, some opportunist member of staff would have passed it on to the press. I'm pretty sure that when she dies the news will break/be circulating on social media before it's announced properly.

I wish her well, in any case.”

Unlike most 90 year olds she'll have instant access to the top doctors in the land. They are probably pumping her full of antibiotics
Mark.
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Soomacdoo:
“That maybe so but in this day and age no-one expects a 90 year old woman to work full-time. She would have abdicated if she felt her successor could be trusted.”

Did you read what I wrote?

She won't abdicate. It's nothing about trusting her successor; it's about her commitment to God.
Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“They don't need to do that if Charles willingly abdicates - and they certainly wouldn't even raise the idea if Charles wasn't willing.”

Having waited over 60 years for the top job I doubt he'd willingly skip his place now!
tiacat
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“She hasn't been seen for 10 days now... I'm beginning to fear that "a heavy cold" might be a euphemism... Wouldn't she have had the flu jab?”

Hasnt been seen by who?
James Frederick
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Did you read what I wrote?

She won't abdicate. It's nothing about trusting her successor; it's about her commitment to God.”

That means she's putting down the ones who have abdicated saying they weren't as good as her.

That may be her public reason she's not really going to say it's because she trusts Charlie about as much as a 3 year old left alone with a Chocolate Cake.
James Frederick
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“Having waited over 60 years for the top job I doubt he'd willingly skip his place now! ”

He'll get it sooner or later.

On a different note he just forgot he left George's roller skate at top of the stairs he could happen to anybody.
LostFool
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“Unlike most 90 year olds she'll have instant access to the top doctors in the land. They are probably pumping her full of antibiotics ”

I suspect that the "top doctors in the land" will know that you don't treat a cold by pumping the patient full of antibiotics.

Get well soon Ma'am.
Dr. Linus
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“Having waited over 60 years for the top job I doubt he'd willingly skip his place now! ”

Not aimed at you personally, just a general observation - but I've never understood this idea that Charles is impatiently awaiting his turn. To be honest he seems quite happy in his role as professional busybody and has never struck me as particularly eager to be the monarch.

Having said that, William seems even less keen and I think Harry would actually turn it down. I think the Queen could very well be the last of the "great" monarchs, really.
Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“Not aimed at you personally, just a general observation - but I've never understood this idea that Charles is impatiently awaiting his turn. To be honest he seems quite happy in his role as professional busybody and has never struck me as particularly eager to be the monarch.

Having said that, William seems even less keen and I think Harry would actually turn it down. I think the Queen could very well be the last of the "great" monarchs, really.”

I get the feeling that Charles wants a legacy as King, and not a historical footnote of a short reign.
Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I suspect that the "top doctors in the land" will know that you don't treat a cold by pumping the patient full of antibiotics.

Get well soon Ma'am.”

What if her heavy cold goes into her chest?
Mark.
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“That means she's putting down the ones who have abdicated saying they weren't as good as her.

That may be her public reason she's not really going to say it's because she trusts Charlie about as much as a 3 year old left alone with a Chocolate Cake.”

No, it is her reason.

You're seriously underestimating how important her faith, and thus by extension her "God-given birthright", is to her.
James Frederick
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“What if her heavy cold goes into her chest?”

She'll have to put the Crown and other jewellery in another one.
Dr. Linus
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“That means she's putting down the ones who have abdicated saying they weren't as good as her.

That may be her public reason she's not really going to say it's because she trusts Charlie about as much as a 3 year old left alone with a Chocolate Cake.”

You're projecting your own thoughts about Charles onto the Queen - I can't see what evidence there might be to suggest this is the case.
James Frederick
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“No, it is her reason.

You're seriously underestimating how important her faith, and thus by extension her "God-given birthright", is to her.”

So not only does she belive herself better than all of us but of all the Monarchs who stepped down as they failed in her opinion.
James Frederick
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“You're projecting your own thoughts about Charles onto the Queen - I can't see what evidence there might be to suggest this is the case.”

TBH I like Charlie more than her he doesn't seem so religious well not CoE anyway he wanted all religions to be treated equally that's a lot better than her.

Over all though I'd sooner just get rid of the lot of them.
bluesdiamond
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“No, it is her reason.

You're seriously underestimating how important her faith, and thus by extension her "God-given birthright", is to her.”

Exactly.
On her Coronation she vowed to her people and God.
Of course when she saw what happened to her beloved Father, who became King after an abdication it was a very personnel commitment.
Mark.
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“So not only does she belive herself better than all of us but of all the Monarchs who stepped down as they failed in her opinion.”

If that's how you want to interpret her views, then go for it. I doubt the Queen really cares about your opinion.
Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“She'll have to put the Crown and other jewellery in another one.”

Ovalteenie
30-12-2016
Monarchs of the British Isles who abdicated:

John Balliol
Mary Queen of Scots
Edward II
Richard II
James II
Edward VIII

Anyone else?
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