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Old 30-12-2016, 23:19
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So not only does she belive herself better than all of us but of all the Monarchs who stepped down as they failed in her opinion.
What?? So she shouldn't have faith because somehow that would be disloyal to all those who've abdicated?? What nonsense!
She feels she is doing her duty. It's not about what others have felt it's about how she feels and what is right for her.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:47
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The Queen will not abdicate. Only death will break that pledge.

Although some duties may be performed by other Royals, notably Prince Charles.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:48
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Monarchs of the British Isles who abdicated:

John Balliol
Mary Queen of Scots
Edward II
Richard II
James II
Edward VIII

Anyone else?
However, Edward VIII was the only one to do so voluntarily. The others were persuaded to - usually by the threat of having their head removed.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:16
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That maybe so but in this day and age no-one expects a 90 year old woman to work full-time. She would have abdicated if she felt her successor could be trusted.
I doubt it's anything to do with the suitability of her successor. It's more likely that, having personally witnessed the effect her uncle's abdication had on her father and the rest of the family, she doesn't want to do what her uncle did. In her eyes, being monarch is a lifetime commitment.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:17
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That maybe so but in this day and age no-one expects a 90 year old woman to work full-time. She would have abdicated if she felt her successor could be trusted.
The queen expects great feats of herself. Only this summer everyone admired her upright walkabouts and long periods of standing - remarkable for her age. And she showed no signs of fatigue or stress. She may stand down from some of her public duties but she's not ready to abdicate.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:52
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The queen expects great feats of herself. Only this summer everyone admired her upright walkabouts and long periods of standing - remarkable for her age. And she showed no signs of fatigue or stress.
She may well. She hasn't done a day's actual work in decades, if at all.

I fine all this incredulity that a pampered 90 year old can stand and walk around a bit contrived tbh.
If she were catching the bus to the shops and walking home with her shopping in a trolleybag, as some 90-year olds do, then I may regard that as a feat.
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Old 31-12-2016, 02:25
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She may well. She hasn't done a day's actual work in decades, if at all.

I fine all this incredulity that a pampered 90 year old can stand and walk around a bit contrived tbh.
If she were catching the bus to the shops and walking home with her shopping in a trolleybag, as some 90-year olds do, then I may regard that as a feat.
Your arrogant post is astounding.

OK, she hasn't been down the mines digging coal, but to suggest she hasn't worked her socks off is ridiculous.

Don't confuse Anti-Monarchist Institution feelings with personal feelings.
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:30
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Your arrogant post is astounding.

OK, she hasn't been down the mines digging coal, but to suggest she hasn't worked her socks off is ridiculous.

Don't confuse Anti-Monarchist Institution feelings with personal feelings.
Well said !
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:50
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What if her heavy cold goes into her chest?
Then they'll give her decongestants. No matter where a cold "goes" antibiotics will have no effect, other than to give the patient more chance of an anitbiotic-resistant infection.
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Old 31-12-2016, 09:52
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I keep seeing the name of this thread and thinking it's a half-arsed metal band.
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Old 31-12-2016, 10:02
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However, Edward VIII was the only one to do so voluntarily. The others were persuaded to - usually by the threat of having their head removed.
He wouldn't have been forced to abdicate if they'd conveniently changed their rules as they've done for Prince Charles.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:31
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He wouldn't have been forced to abdicate if they'd conveniently changed their rules as they've done for Prince Charles.
I doubt many wanted to bend the rules. His abdication was seen as a lucky break, given his Nazi sympathies. They even shunted him off to the Bahamas during WW2 because of this.
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Old 31-12-2016, 11:46
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However, Edward VIII was the only one to do so voluntarily. The others were persuaded to - usually by the threat of having their head removed.
That is an incentive!
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:00
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She may well. She hasn't done a day's actual work in decades, if at all.

I fine all this incredulity that a pampered 90 year old can stand and walk around a bit contrived tbh.
If she were catching the bus to the shops and walking home with her shopping in a trolleybag, as some 90-year olds do, then I may regard that as a feat.
bet her doctor went to see her xmas day as she has a cold you try seeing a doctor xmas day new years day,imposible
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:01
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bet her doctor went to see her xmas day as she has a cold you try seeing a doctor xmas day new years day,imposible
So do the same as the Queen, get a private doctor. Simple.
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Old 31-12-2016, 13:44
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He wouldn't have been forced to abdicate if they'd conveniently changed their rules as they've done for Prince Charles.
Bad luck for Edward VIII. Nowadays he would not have to abdicate. It is arguable that if he had refused to abdicate and still marry Wallis Simpson, he could have ridden out the storm as he was extremely popular with the public, as well as having the support of senior politicians such as Winston Churchill. I think he made a mistake in abdicating. However the present Queen would still have succeeded but 20 years later, assuming he & Wallis Simpson remained without children.
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:51
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An awful fuss has been made about Camilla and many don't want her to be 'Queen'

Personally, I don't see why not.

Tradition and Protocol are one thing, so is Evolution and Modernisation.
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Old 31-12-2016, 14:59
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An awful fuss has been made about Camilla and many don't want her to be 'Queen'

Personally, I don't see why not.

Tradition and Protocol are one thing, so is Evolution and Modernisation.
I hope she does become Queen, with all my heart.

Not because I care one iota about the Queen or any Royal for that matter, but purely because all the flag waving royalists can get precisely what they don't want out of this weird, antiquated system which gives people no say over who their head of state is. I'd like to think it will be the start of the end of the Monarchy.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:00
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She may well. She hasn't done a day's actual work in decades, if at all.

I fine all this incredulity that a pampered 90 year old can stand and walk around a bit contrived tbh.
If she were catching the bus to the shops and walking home with her shopping in a trolleybag, as some 90-year olds do, then I may regard that as a feat.
Good point but most won't see it. The queen is lauded for doing next to nothing it's part of the brain washing.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:05
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I hope she does become Queen, with all my heart.

Not because I care one iota about the Queen or any Royal for that matter, but purely because all the flag waving royalists can get precisely what they don't want out of this weird, antiquated system which gives people no say over who their head of state is. I'd like to think it will be the start of the end of the Monarchy.
She WILL be Queen. The wife of the King is Queen, whether the people like it or not. I know someone who hates her with a passion and wouldn't cross the street to see her. Huge Diana fan still.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:05
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Good point but most won't see it. The queen is lauded for doing next to nothing it's part of the brain washing.
Quite agree. I have never accepted the royalists lie that she actually works. I'm sorry but she hasn't done a hard days work since leaving the armed forces. She doesn't have a time critical job, nor does she have the make tough decisions or ever face the prospect of being on the breadline. She is so detached from reality, they all are, that it's just laughable whenever someone tries to tell me she works hard for the country. I'm sorry, I just don't see it.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:08
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She WILL be Queen. The wife of the King is Queen, whether the people like it or not. I know someone who hates her with a passion and wouldn't cross the street to see her. Huge Diana fan still.
I wouldn't cross the street to see any of them.

I'd cross the motorway in rush hour to avoid them though.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:09
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Quite agree. I have never accepted the royalists lie that she actually works. I'm sorry but she hasn't done a hard days work since leaving the armed forces. She doesn't have a time critical job, nor does she have the make tough decisions or ever face the prospect of being on the breadline. She is so detached from reality, they all are, that it's just laughable whenever someone tries to tell me she works hard for the country. I'm sorry, I just don't see it.
Then you are blinkered
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:09
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Quite agree. I have never accepted the royalists lie that she actually works. I'm sorry but she hasn't done a hard days work since leaving the armed forces. She doesn't have a time critical job, nor does she have the make tough decisions or ever face the prospect of being on the breadline. She is so detached from reality, they all are, that it's just laughable whenever someone tries to tell me she works hard for the country. I'm sorry, I just don't see it.
That's unfair.

She waves a bit and has to eat world class meals at dinner parties.
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Old 31-12-2016, 15:17
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Good point but most won't see it. The queen is lauded for doing next to nothing it's part of the brain washing.
That is patently untrue and I'm far from being a Monarchist.
She's done her job for a hell of a lot longer than any republic's head of state.
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