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Old 31-12-2016, 16:28
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Fair enough. I know I'm not but if the Royalists see anyone who challenges the "she works so hard" lie as "blinkered" then consider me well and truely blinkered and I couldn't care less about that label. Show me some evidence of the Queen working in a menial job or sending off her CV to apply for a job well below her qualification level just so she can get some money in and make ends meet. Show me some proof of her working shifts and doing mandatory overtime or having to struggle to scrape the hours in on a zero hours contract just to feed her family.

The truth is she hasn't done any of that. Pretending to be interested in stupid conversations at garden parties and meeting politicians you don't agree with is NOT work. Not by any stretch of the imagination is that a hard job.
It's certainly work, as it's her job for life and she doesn't do it for pleasure. Agree it's not hard work though.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:29
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Madness Reigns

How many people get home from a hard day at the office, travelling, meeting and greeting, doing presentations and listening to them and not arrive home knackered and then have to get changed and go to a Business Dinner?
IT CAN BE VERY HARD WORK
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:30
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It's certainly work, as it's her job for life and she doesn't do it for pleasure. Agree it's not hard work though.
I see she doesn't do the Royal Variety performance anymore, any more of them and she would have lost the will to live
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:31
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She will Queen consort but it will be up the government if she gets that title They may opt for her to be referred to as Princess Camilla rather than Queen Camilla.

Once Charles is king William and Kate become Prince and Princess of Wales but she will be known as Princess Catherine.
She won't be Princess Catherine as she is not a born Royal. She will be Catherine Princess of Wales. Diana was never Princess Diana, she was Diana Princess of Wales.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:35
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I'm rather puzzled about why you expect any country's head of state to do a menial job or anything else you mention..
You know what I mean, don't pretend otherwise.

Since the War the Queen has done literally nothing but pretend to be interested in what's going on around her. I don't deny the fact she served in WW2, but what I am saying is that her "job" right now is not difficult and I don't understand why people think it is.

At least elected heads of state have usually had a life. They have lived in the real world, had real jobs to pay their way through things like University, then moved into politics and done something to promote themselves in such a way that eventually gets them recognised enough to become the head of state. Even once they get that position they have to take important decisions about their countries, they have to have meetings long into the night, head up negotiations with the position parties to get policies through. They have to take a stance on issues and face the consequences, all the while making sure their families are not ignored. Your puzzlement is misplaced. You know fine well I was talking specifically about our Queen and the job people keep saying she does. It really is nothing compared to what most heads of state have to do. Most of them would kill for her job of shaking hands and having no requirement at all to make decisions that could affect their nation.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:41
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Madness Reigns

How many people get home from a hard day at the office, travelling, meeting and greeting, doing presentations and listening to them and not arrive home knackered and then have to get changed and go to a Business Dinner?
IT CAN BE VERY HARD WORK
She doesn't do any of that, certainly not a hard day at the office. What is hard about putting her signature on things exactly? Does she have staff meetings? Talk about redundancies? Deny people their annual leave? Tell them they are getting a pay cut? What is her daily office routine? When does the Queen do presentations? When did she have to sit up all night making a power point? She hardly ever travels these days, she receives most guests at the Palace. How often does she have these business dinners? Again, these are in the palace as well.

You have summed up a couple of months worth of duties and made it sound like her daily job.

I'm sorry I just don't see this hard work she does.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:43
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I don't believe a word of this 'heavy cold' business. It just has the ring of untruth. For a start you tend to get less colds as you get older. Can't remember the last one I had and I'm literally rubbing shoulders with other germ ridden plebs every day
Either it's a lot more serious than a 'cold' or there is some security issue that we are not being told about.
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:50
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She doesn't do any of that, certainly not a hard day at the office. What is hard about putting her signature on things exactly? Does she have staff meetings? Talk about redundancies? Deny people their annual leave? Tell them they are getting a pay cut? What is her daily office routine? When does the Queen do presentations? When did she have to sit up all night making a power point? She hardly ever travels these days, she receives most guests at the Palace. How often does she have these business dinners? Again, these are in the palace as well.

You have summed up a couple of months worth of duties and made it sound like her daily job.

I'm sorry I just don't see this hard work she does.
This list a few things shes does, which at aged 90, is quite busy!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-10492992.html
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Old 31-12-2016, 16:57
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You know what I mean, don't pretend otherwise.

Since the War the Queen has done literally nothing but pretend to be interested in what's going on around her. I don't deny the fact she served in WW2, but what I am saying is that her "job" right now is not difficult and I don't understand why people think it is.

At least elected heads of state have usually had a life. They have lived in the real world, had real jobs to pay their way through things like University, then moved into politics and done something to promote themselves in such a way that eventually gets them recognised enough to become the head of state. Even once they get that position they have to take important decisions about their countries, they have to have meetings long into the night, head up negotiations with the position parties to get policies through. They have to take a stance on issues and face the consequences, all the while making sure their families are not ignored. Your puzzlement is misplaced. You know fine well I was talking specifically about our Queen and the job people keep saying she does. It really is nothing compared to what most heads of state have to do. Most of them would kill for her job of shaking hands and having no requirement at all to make decisions that could affect their nation.
I'm not pretending about anything. You just don't seem to know much about what the Queen's job entails. The UK also has a Prime Minister but none of it means the Queen has done bugger all for the last however many years.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:03
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What's the definition of a "heavy cold"?
My understanding is just below the flu. So running eyes, nose, sore throat, generally feeling like s**t but not the flu. At least that's what I call a heavy cold.

What's concerning is this is day 11 since her "heavy cold" started (we can probably add a day onto that as we were only told on Dec 21st she was delaying travel) and even the worst of colds don't last for that long surely. At least not the symptoms that stop you leaving the house. Although perhaps when you get as old as the Queen is maybe they do?

I wasn't concerned originally but if she doesn't show up to the service I think there will be some cause for concern there.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:15
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I'm not pretending about anything. You just don't seem to know much about what the Queen's job entails. The UK also has a Prime Minister but none of it means the Queen has done bugger all for the last however many years.
I am sure the Queen and other members of the RF do things. These could be described as jobs. In reality it would be of little consequence if these things where done or not. A lot of the 'job' involves people having to meet our head of state. If we did not have a head of state people would not have to meet them. Much of the 'job' exists simply because they exist.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:23
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I am sure the Queen and other members of the RF do things. These could be described as jobs. In reality it would be of little consequence if these things where done or not. A lot of the 'job' involves people having to meet our head of state. If we did not have a head of state people would not have to meet them. Much of the 'job' exists simply because they exist.
Yes I know Richard, but it doesn't mean the Queen's done virtually nowt or heads of state should be doing menial jobs etc.
Blimey am I on the turn? Get a grip!
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:30
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If she died today, they might sit on it till tomorrow morning, so as not to dampen the New Year celebrations. That's just hypothetical, though.
If they did that, what would happen to the queen is dead, long live the king. YOu cant make that announcement sometime after the event surely, The new monarch is in place from the minute the death of the previous one.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:32
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Yes I know Richard, but it doesn't mean the Queen's done virtually nowt or heads of state should be doing menial jobs etc.
Blimey am I on the turn? Get a grip!
The most menial jobs are those that one has to do with out any choice. Come to think of it.....
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:34
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If they did that, what would happen to the queen is dead, long live the king. YOu cant make that announcement sometime after the event surely, The new monarch is in place from the minute the death of the previous one.
That is true so announcing it makes no difference.
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Old 31-12-2016, 17:53
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If they did that, what would happen to the queen is dead, long live the king. YOu cant make that announcement sometime after the event surely, The new monarch is in place from the minute the death of the previous one.

Clearly shown in those old movies, when George V died they were all gathered around and the minute the doctor pronounced that he was dead Queen Mary curtsied and kissed the hand of her son who became Edward V111
The decision will be made tomorrow morning if the Queen is fit enough to attend church.
She has managed to get out of bed, I wonder who did all the cleaning and cooking over Christmas as all the family were there. Did Camilla turn in and make her signature spag bol?
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:00
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will we get an extra holiday if she attends church, the nation must be allowed to celebrate that the Queen didn't die ?
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:46
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She may well. She hasn't done a day's actual work in decades, if at all.

I fine all this incredulity that a pampered 90 year old can stand and walk around a bit contrived tbh.
If she were catching the bus to the shops and walking home with her shopping in a trolleybag, as some 90-year olds do, then I may regard that as a feat.
Oh dear. I think it's time for Welsh-lad to pay a visit to the pillories at Caernarfon Castle!
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:51
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The most menial jobs are those that one has to do with out any choice. Come to think of it.....
Mmm indeed.....
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Old 31-12-2016, 18:56
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World Of Sport Wrestling is over nothing I'm bothered about on TV for months now so they can announce it whenever they want.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:00
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Clearly shown in those old movies, when George V died they were all gathered around and the minute the doctor pronounced that he was dead Queen Mary curtsied and kissed the hand of her son who became Edward V111
The decision will be made tomorrow morning if the Queen is fit enough to attend church.
She has managed to get out of bed, I wonder who did all the cleaning and cooking over Christmas as all the family were there. Did Camilla turn in and make her signature spag bol?
Give the poor woman a break. She's got enough to do spoon feeding Charlie after his man servants have finished getting him suitably abluted and dressed.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:05
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She does have a choice... there is an opt out.
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Old 31-12-2016, 19:14
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She does have a choice... there is an opt out.
With her conditioning about the role of the Monarch as a child I doubt it is a real choice. Certainly not one entered into as a consenting adult.

What horrifies me is that Royal children are still being inducted into these overwhelming expectations. Attempting to impose such pre-destination on any other infants would be clearly recognised as some kind of abuse.
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Old 31-12-2016, 20:20
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I wasn't concerned originally but if she doesn't show up to the service I think there will be some cause for concern there.
She may not do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38480869
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Old 31-12-2016, 20:43
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You know what I mean, don't pretend otherwise.

Since the War the Queen has done literally nothing but pretend to be interested in what's going on around her. I don't deny the fact she served in WW2, but what I am saying is that her "job" right now is not difficult and I don't understand why people think it is.

At least elected heads of state have usually had a life. They have lived in the real world, had real jobs to pay their way through things like University, then moved into politics and done something to promote themselves in such a way that eventually gets them recognised enough to become the head of state. Even once they get that position they have to take important decisions about their countries, they have to have meetings long into the night, head up negotiations with the position parties to get policies through. They have to take a stance on issues and face the consequences, all the while making sure their families are not ignored. Your puzzlement is misplaced. You know fine well I was talking specifically about our Queen and the job people keep saying she does. It really is nothing compared to what most heads of state have to do. Most of them would kill for her job of shaking hands and having no requirement at all to make decisions that could affect their nation.
Do you include Donald Trump in that?
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