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tiacat
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“If you were very poor, you couldn't afford to smoke, you had to try to feed your family instead, for those who got their priorities right.”

The majority of the very poor smoked years ago, right up until now really. Talk about rose tinted.
Caxton
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by GusGus:
“Anyone who has worked in health or social care will point you to people who died from lung cancer but who never smoked, and heavy smokers who lived into a good old age.
Those who died will have had a relative who also died from cancer which is the main reason a lot of women are having their breasts removed”

That may be so, there are always exceptions, but smoking has been proved to be a major contributing factor in lung cancer particularly that of heavy smokers like King George VI was. I think you will also find that as smoking drops so does the incidence of lung cancer.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cancer-...es/Causes.aspx

Though I do know that many will turn a blind eye to the fact that smoking can increase by a very large amount anyone contracting lung cancer.
Trulytrue
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“The majority of the very poor smoked years ago, right up until now really. Talk about rose tinted.”

Cannot see anything rose tinted about that post.

Its true though that the poor smoked even then, like now.. Although people then that would have been poor before the war were now enjoying more affluent times.
Charnham
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Ulsterguy:
“Even when I'm out, and I see a funeral for somebody who I've never known, I'd still feel a bit sad. I'd feel that way because it's somebody's Mother/Granny or even worse Wife or Daughter. I know what it's like to bury a relative, and I know the pain death causes. It takes a cold hearted person not to have ANY feelings when it comes to a death for a person unknown.”

but you dont spend 12 days in mourning for them do you?
Patti-Ann
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Ovalteenie:
“She could take the George III option which is to remain monarch but effectively retire and have Charles as Prince Regent.”

George III suffered bouts of insanity, so he had no choice but to step down

Originally Posted by Arcticchris:
“Just in terms of people talking up how busy her life is I am pointing out that unlike 99% of the population cooking and washing up has never been something she or the rest of her family has had to fit into their schedule”

Actually...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne....-You-dry.html
tiacat
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“Cannot see anything rose tinted about that post.

Its true though that the poor smoked even then, like now.. Although people then that would have been poor before the war were now enjoying more affluent times.”

The inference was that in the good old days, the very poor didnt smoke because they had different priorities to today's very poor in that they didnt smoke in order to feed their families.

Im afraid that the very poor in all historical times, always spent a larger proportion of their income on 'entertainment' than any other economic group
pie-eyed
02-01-2017
I don't think it was a larger part of their money on entertainment as such. People did go out a lot more, to cinemas etc but people spend a lot of time and money at home now. Tv, sky, electronics etc. Most women didn't go out drinking while they do now. A lot more money is spent on drinking at home. Also eating out is a thing that wasn't common. Certainly now when I was a child. Your parents would take you to a cafe for a drink or ice cream but never for a full dinner. People did used to cook more for their families. They couldn't afford the best prices of meat but did what they could. A lot of people today think they are poor if they can't afford mcdonald's for breakfast and another takeaway at night.
flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“The majority of the very poor smoked years ago, right up until now really. Talk about rose tinted.”

Nothing rose tinted about my Grandfather, he put his family before himself, unlike most men. He had a lovely garden and grew vegetables to help the family keep their head above water, they lived in a council house.

He grew wonderful Runner beans, Rhubarb, Strawberries, Raspberries and a multitude of other plants. Because he couldn't afford to smoke and at the time, some adverts said smoking was medicinal, he decided to crush dried Raspberry leaves, to see if they would give the same effect, disaster, they stank to high heaven.

He could not afford to smoke, so he never smoked. HE NEVER WORE ROSE TINTED GLASSES.
blueblade
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“Nothing rose tinted about my Grandfather, he put his family before himself, unlike most men, he put his family before himself. He had a lovely garden and grew vegetables to help the family keep their head above water, they lived in a council house.

He grew wonderful Runner beans, Rhubarb, Strawberries, Raspberries and a multitude of other plants. Because he couldn't afford to smoke and at the time, some adverts said smoking was medicinal, he decided to crush dried Raspberry leaves, to see if they would give the same effect, disaster, they stank to high heaven.

He could not afford to smoke, so he never smoked. HE NEVER WORE ROSE TINTED GLASSES.”

I remember when kids at school put tea leaves in paper straws and smoked them
benjamini
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“Nothing rose tinted about my Grandfather, he put his family before himself, unlike most men, he put his family before himself. He had a lovely garden and grew vegetables to help the family keep their head above water, they lived in a council house.

He grew wonderful Runner beans, Rhubarb, Strawberries, Raspberries and a multitude of other plants. Because he couldn't afford to smoke and at the time, some adverts said smoking was medicinal, he decided to crush dried Raspberry leaves, to see if they would give the same effect, disaster, they stank to high heaven.

He could not afford to smoke, so he never smoked. HE NEVER WORE ROSE TINTED GLASSES.”


I rather resent your statement that your grandfather was unusual in that he put his family first. My grandfather and many others did similar, my mother also. I grew up in times of real destitution as did my mother and father. Too bloody boring to write a litany of what poverty was about for them and the sacrifices MOST families made for their children. .
flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“I rather resent your statement that your grandfather was unusual in that he put his family first. My grandfather and many others did similar, my mother also. I grew up in times of real destitution as did my mother and father. Too bloody boring to write a litany of what poverty was about for them and the sacrifices MOST families made for their children. .”

So sorry to hear you begrudge, what I've written about the sacrifices my forbears have made for me and my family. My Grandfather sacrificed a good deal, far more than I am telling here.

I'm Sure good Queen Elizabeth will live to be 100.
benjamini
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“So sorry to hear you begrudge, what I've written about the sacrifices my forbears have made for me and my family. My Grandfather sacrificed a good deal, far more than I am telling here.

I'm Sure good Queen Elizabeth will live to be 100.”

No begrudge , you said your grand father made sacrifices unlike most men.. we all have back stories , many painful, but my grandfathers were both remarkable men, like many of their generation.
flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“No begrudge , you said your grand father made sacrifices unlike most men.. we all have back stories , many painful, but my grandfathers were both remarkable men, like many of their generation.”

Happy new Year to you benjamini
Richard46
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“So sorry to hear you begrudge, what I've written about the sacrifices my forbears have made for me and my family. My Grandfather sacrificed a good deal, far more than I am telling here.

I'm Sure good Queen Elizabeth will live to be 100.”

But it was you that begrudged the sacrifices made by most other men. There was no need for that; your Grandfathers works no doubt deserve respect without making any comparisons.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Right.

My grandfather was born in 1895 and started smoking when he was 10 years old.

He sacrificed a leg at the Battle of the Somme in 1916 - and smoked throughout.

He continued smoking, right up until he was 80 years old, when he decided he should stop... and he did.
flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“But it was you that begrudged the sacrifices made by most other men. There was no need for that; your Grandfathers works no doubt deserve respect without making any comparisons.”

I just said that some men put their families needs, before themselves. It depends on the calibre of the man.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“I just said that some men put their families needs, before themselves. It depends on the calibre of the man.”

Oh dear...
flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Oh dear...”

Don't get upset, it's OK.
Trulytrue
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“I just said that some men put their families needs, before themselves. It depends on the calibre of the man.”

You said "unlike most men" Very different.
Charnham
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“I just said that some men put their families needs, before themselves. It depends on the calibre of the man.”

oh good so this is now some how a judgement on men, not sure how this happened,
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“Don't get upset, it's OK.”

Well, it's a bit of a downer really, to finally be made to realise that my poor grandfather, rather than being a respectable war veteran (as I had previously believed), who in spite of his disability had worked right up until he was 70 years old , was probably a selfish old scoundrel and an indolent waster instead.

Imagine, if he had never smoked all those Woodbines in the trenches of Flanders... we could all have been millionaires, Rodney!

flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Trulytrue:
“You said "unlike most men" Very different.”

You are right, some men are very different, some bad some good, some indifferent..
flowerpowa
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Well, it's a bit of a downer really, to finally be made to realise that my poor grandfather, rather than being a respectable war veteran (as I had previously believed), who in spite of his disability had worked right up until he was 70 years old , was probably a selfish old scoundrel and an indolent waster instead.

Imagine, if he had never smoked all those Woodbines in the trenches of Flanders... we could all have been millionaires, Rodney!

”

All I said was that my Grandfather couldn't afford to smoke, he only had enough money

to put some food on the table and pay the rent, is that so awful.


God save the Queen.
Moany Liza
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by flowerpowa:
“All I said was that my Grandfather couldn't afford to smoke, he only had enough money to put some food on the table and pay the rent, is that so awful.”

Well, if you start casting aspersions on the general "calibre" of men, based upon whether they smoked or not, it's likely to raise an eyebrow or two.
GusGus
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“I remember when kids at school put tea leaves in paper straws and smoked them ”


I used dried dock leaves and Izal toilet paper
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