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Do the Republicans here think that other heads of state do nothing as well?
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Tax dodging and the Burrell court case spring to mind. Piss poor. But stick an HRH in front of it and suddenly people go aww, isn't she marvelous.
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It's HM not HRH. Show some respect!
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It's HM not HRH. Show some respect!
![]() Apologies. I'm now on my knees as I post.
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Apologies. I'm now on my knees as I post.
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That was a huge shock though, because she was so young. The death of someone over 90 will hardly be unexpected and I doubt there will be the same outpouring of grief.
Similarly for personal bereavements, if your Grandmother died aged 90 after a long full life, of course you'd be sad but you'd probably cope and accept it better than say your sister dying age 36 in a car crash. |
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Good, because don't forget
You are lesser than the Queen ![]() ![]() I humbly agree. My blood is red. |
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I'm no royalist but I think the Queen has performed her role admirably. People joke about her job being easy, but I daresay with hundreds of public engagements a year, plus hundreds of other meetings, combined with the sheer weight of the responsibility of being head of state, she is more active than most people who sit at a desk all day. She has continued to do this well past the normal retirement age. My mother is in her 60s and already finds traveling tiring.
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Tax dodging and the Burrell court case spring to mind. Piss poor. But stick an HRH in front of it and suddenly people go aww, isn't she marvelous.
Re the Burrell case, are you suggesting that she lied? |
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Can you elaborate on your "tax dodging" reference?
Re the Burrell case, are you suggesting that she lied? |
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Can you elaborate on your "tax dodging" reference?
Re the Burrell case, are you suggesting that she lied? A private tax deal which the Queen reached with the Conservative government of Sir Winston Churchill when she ascended the throne nearly half a century ago may have brought her a windfall income of over £1bn during her reign, investment statisticians have calculated. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/...y.stephenbates |
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I think the Queen used to be exempt from paying tax.
Taxation The Crown has a legal tax-exempt status because certain acts of parliament do not apply to it. Crown bodies such as The Duchy of Lancaster are not subject to legislation concerning income tax, capital gains tax or inheritance tax. Furthermore, the Sovereign has no legal liability to pay such taxes. The Duchy of Cornwall has a Crown exemption and the Prince of Wales is not legally liable to pay income tax on Duchy revenues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...amily#Taxation |
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Well for instance;
A private tax deal which the Queen reached with the Conservative government of Sir Winston Churchill when she ascended the throne nearly half a century ago may have brought her a windfall income of over £1bn during her reign, investment statisticians have calculated. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/...y.stephenbates
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Don't let hard facts get in the way of spiteful vitriol. Plus for all the anti royalists, if there's ever a referendum on whether or not to abolish the monarchy, you'll see what the majority think.
This particular republican is not one for spiteful vitriol btw. |
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Can you elaborate on your "tax dodging" reference?
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Re the Burrell case, are you suggesting that she lied?
I'm saying that if she wasn't queen people would've taken a dimmer view of her behaviour.
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Sure. The dodges range from not paying any (as recently as her mother's death she trousered about 40 million, from memory, that should have gone into public coffers) to agreeing to pay 'some'. Aww, isn't she marvellous.
I'm saying that if she wasn't queen people would've taken a dimmer view of her behaviour. Your second comment doesn't really answer the question. Are you suggesting that she lied? |
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But she does pay tax... even though she isn't legally required to do so.
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Your second comment doesn't really answer the question. Are you suggesting that she lied?
I'm expressing myself very clearly. Her behaviour was piss poor, and more people would be saying so if she wasn't queen.
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She still is.
Taxation The Crown has a legal tax-exempt status because certain acts of parliament do not apply to it. Crown bodies such as The Duchy of Lancaster are not subject to legislation concerning income tax, capital gains tax or inheritance tax. Furthermore, the Sovereign has no legal liability to pay such taxes. The Duchy of Cornwall has a Crown exemption and the Prince of Wales is not legally liable to pay income tax on Duchy revenues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...amily#Taxation |
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If it was an arrangement negotiated with the approval of the then government, then surely by definition it cannot be defined as "tax dodging"?
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You're making my point for me.
I'm expressing myself very clearly. Her behaviour was piss poor, and more people would be saying so if she wasn't queen. You haven't expressed anything at all. Nevertheless, although your anti-monarchy sentiments are coming across loud and clear you still haven't provided anything which supports either of your claims. If you can't actually answer a couple of simple questions with simple and logical answers, then there's little point in continuing this line of discussion. Never mind.
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No. Tax dodging is when you don't pay tax which you are legally required to pay. If you are not required to pay it, then it isn't being dodged.
You haven't expressed anything at all. Nevertheless, although your anti-monarchy sentiments are coming across loud and clear you still haven't provided anything which supports either of your claims. If you can't actually answer a couple of simple questions with simple and logical answers, then there's little point in continuing this line of discussion. Never mind. ![]() |
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Perhaps you don't understand the point I'm making.
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Do the Republicans here think that other heads of state do nothing as well?
I'm pro-republic. I have always had that view and would really struggle to change my view on that. I don't think the Queen does literally nothing, I just think her role is over hyped and that all the arguments for retaining her are grossly exaggerated. I don't see why an elected head of state couldn't do exactly the same thing she does, just without all the pomp and ceremony and all the extended family. Surely we can all agree there is a bit too much money diverted towards the Royals and their extended sundry? I don't accept she is responsible for stability or that tourism booms because of her. People make it sound as if republics don't have any tourism. Do people not go to Washington DC to see the White House? Do people not visit Germany and France to see Castles too? You never heard of anyone rushing to Liechtenstein purely because they have a Royal family. I wholeheartedly reject the claims that they bring in so much money. The tourists would still come in their droves if the Royals were to be kicked out tomorrow and that's a simple fact. My main objection to Monarchy is that it is not earned, it is just given by pure accident of birth and then we have no choice but to accept it and pay for it and we have no way whatsoever of getting rid of this person nor do we have any control over what to do or how they act. Ceremonial heads of state are at least selected by the people of the nation they represent and can act in addition to the government as a kind of neutral representative on official levels. They would have to earn thier position and would be just as easy to replace if the people decided thus. I'm sure people will harp on about how we could end up with a Z list celebrity and how they would rather have the Queen, of course that's true, we could end up with a no hoper, but at the same time, that's who the people will have chosen. We could also end up with someone just as dignified as the Queen. So yes, I am very much anti-Monarchy because for as long as we have them we are never a democratic nor fair society when we have one family at the top who have never had to do anything to get there. |
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You haven't actually made one yet. Don't worry about it. I'm just about to go out, so it really doesn't matter.
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