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Copeland by-election
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Nosedive
21-12-2016
My view. Copeland is traditionally a Lab+Cons marginal seat. Both the tories and labour will be throwing all the resources possible at it
i) To retain/re-gain it.
ii) To stem the flow of voters leaking towards Ukip.

With a 60 odd % leave factor, I would postulate the conservatives will take it and Tim Farron should butt the hell out.
LostFool
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dingbat:
“Jamie Reed is everything that Corbynistas hate - centrist, pro-nuclear, northern(!), and from what I've seen, a damn fine constituency politician who's done a lot to help his constituents, who pushed for improving local amenities and a hospital.

Can you realistically see Momentum (or Corbyn) allowing anyone with a similar background being nominated? They'll put someone slightly more acceptable to them up as candidate, and then see the seat go to the tories.”

It will be interesting to see what candidates the parties put up. The good folk of Cumbria aren't the sort to appreciate someone parachuted in from Westminster School of Policy Wonks.
clinch
21-12-2016
I think this seat is destined to be scrapped under the boundary review. Will someone want it for three years?
MattXfactor
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“Given the upset that occurred in Richmond Park and the election of a new UKIP leader, this contest is potentially wide open particularly when taking account the volatile nature of the electorate these past few months.”

Just to be clear I wasn't criticising their chances in this seat, just that I don't think either party would do much (if any) more than the two major parties if in power.
MattXfactor
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“First betting odds from William Hill
5/4 Conservatives; 6/4 Labour; 4/1 UKIP; 12/1 Lib Dem; 66/1 Green Party”

If you like big bets I'd be absolutely lumping on the tories right now.
TelevisionUser
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“It will be interesting to see what candidates the parties put up. The good folk of Cumbria aren't the sort to appreciate someone parachuted in from Westminster School of Policy Wonks.”

Yes, if the Tories select Tarquin the merchant banker from Bromley and if Labour pick Neil with a PhD in Marxist orthodoxy from Notting Hill then I'm not sure that that will go down too well in Cumbria particularly if UKIP and the Lib Dems select local candidates.

One of the best results of the 2015 general election was when Labour parachuted in Will "Son of Jack" Straw into the Rossendale and Darwen constituency in Lancashire as their official candidate despite having zero ties to the constituency. He was comprehensively beaten which I thought was a good thing because I disapprove of nepotism and political dynasties.
Meepers
21-12-2016
It's win or resign for Corbyn. Opposition parties simply shouldn't lose seats in by elections
Annsyre
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by clinch:
“I think this seat is destined to be scrapped under the boundary review. Will someone want it for three years?”

Yes the Conservatives.
Jayceef1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Liete:
“Could be a tough one. Corbyn and the full Islington set of Abbott, Thornberry, McDonnel etc might have to hold their noses and head north to campaign.”

Let's hope they've booked their seats on Virgin. Would hate to think of them sitting on the floor all that way.
Jayceef1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“Quitting mid term unless dead or dying tends not to go down well with the electorate.”

I heard on the radio that his son has just been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. And as its about the farthest you can get from Westminster wants to be with his family more.
hoppyuppy
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“Let's hope they've booked their seats on Virgin. Would hate to think of them sitting on the floor all that way. ”

The Umbrella Corporation based at Raccoon City, just outside Sellafield will be laying on choppers.
LostFool
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“I heard on the radio that his son has just been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. And as its about the farthest you can get from Westminster wants to be with his family more.”

Err... I think constituencies in Scotland and Northern Ireland are bit further away from Westminster.
Jayceef1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Err... I think constituencies in Scotland and Northern Ireland are bit further away from Westminster.”

Not Labour. Well apart from one.
The point being it was not feasible for him to be away for long periods of time from his family at this time. Are you really so heartless?
LostFool
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“Not Labour. Well apart from one.
The point being it was not feasible for him to be away for long periods of time from his family at this time. Are you really so heartless?”

I didn't mean to sound heartless at all. Just pointing out some simple geography. If he wants to spend more time with his family then that's entirely his decision to make.

By the way, the PM also has Type 1 Diabetes
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us...h-theresa-may/
Jayceef1
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I didn't mean to sound heartless at all. Just pointing out some simple geography. If he wants to spend more time with his family then that's entirely his decision to make.

By the way, the PM also has Type 1 Diabetes
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us...h-theresa-may/”

Fair enough. I was just explaining why he resigned.

It's slightly easier to get to Westminster from Maidenhead than Copeland and even easier when living in Downing Street.
Dingbat
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Err... I think constituencies in Scotland and Northern Ireland are bit further away from Westminster.”

Maybe, but those have better air and rail links than that part of Cumbria.

its quicker to get from London to Paris than it is to get from London to Whitehaven.
vauxhall1964
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Thor_Noggsson:
“Copeland is one of those seats that would vote for a monkey so long as it had a red rosette .”

You obviously haven't actually seen this seat's results at the last election. It's a marginal.
thenetworkbabe
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Meepers:
“It's win or resign for Corbyn. Opposition parties simply shouldn't lose seats in by elections”

Corbyn doesn't care about seats in parliament. He's interested in his cult followers, going to the Stop The war Christmas party, dreaming of being Castro, and making speeches about spending tens of billions he will never have to spend.

His MPs know he is useless and leading Labour to 20 years in the wilderness -but can't get rid of him. - because the Corbyn cult is acting ike a classic death cult. He's there till he dies, or decides to go, or the Unite leadership changes, and the major unions get fed up of paying out for a lost cause.
thenetworkbabe
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by vauxhall1964:
“You obviously haven't actually seen this seat's results at the last election. It's a marginal.”

Needs a 3.25% swing to go Conservative and there's a 15% UKIP vote to feed on, and to eat Labour's vote. Sits on top of Barrow and will be involvd heavily in Trident replacement spending too - which is a prime reason not to vote for Corbyn.
thenetworkbabe
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by clinch:
“I think this seat is destined to be scrapped under the boundary review. Will someone want it for three years?”

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/c...d%20Whitehaven

Most of it goes in with Workington and becomes a safe labour seat seemingly.

The problem for Labour is that only a moderate can win it, and for whoever that is they will be fighting whoever now has Workington to try for the seat in 2020.
OLD HIPPY GUY
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by onecitizen:
“I doubt they could find the north of England on a map. Anti nuclear London-centric Labour leadership campaigning in a northern constituency where a lot of people work in the nuclear industry.
Good luck.”

Really? it was only a couple of months ago that JC himself was photographed shopping in our tiny little village,.... in Northumberland. but lets not let those fact things get in the way.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...-wool-11984750
then there was the time he was in that very well known southern city of Newcastle on Tyne.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...astle-11621735

then there was the time he went to visit those people affected by the floods in that southern county of Cumbria last year.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6768326.html


So. as I have provided three pieces of evidence which shoot down in flames your claim that the Labour leader would be unable to find his way north without a map, (I could provide more, but three will be enough to make my point)

Would you be good enough to find an occasion this century when Theresa May has ventured this far north?

just once will do.
Dingbat
22-12-2016
It doesn't really matter whether the Dear Leader has visited anywhere north of Watford. It all depends on who Labour chooses as their candidate, and what the Dear Leader and his sycophants say about the main local employer, which happens to be the nuclear industry.

Jamie Reed is a local. He has gone on record as disagreeing with Corbyn, but he understood what people in the constituency want and need, and has strong links to the the nuclear industry. As does the probable conservative candidate.
SULLA
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Liete:
“Could be a tough one. Corbyn and the full Islington set of Abbott, Thornberry, McDonnel etc might have to hold their noses and head north to campaign.”

The local labour party would surely tell them to burger off
Multimedia81
22-12-2016
Although no date has been set, I have the feeling it will be on February 23rd.
mossy2103
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jayceef1:
“I heard on the radio that his son has just been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. And as its about the farthest you can get from Westminster wants to be with his family more.”

I read one report that said that, for him, it was a 6 hour journey from Westminster.
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