So we were told dozens of women committed suicide in Aleppo rather the face Assad's 'rape squads', also children were being burned alive by Assad's militia forces and several bloggers posted their supposed final video's before they were massacred.

I'm still waiting for any evidence of these atrocities, did they actually happen or was I a victim of 'fake news' by the Western MSM?

Those Supposed Recent Aleppo Atrocities We Were Told About...but only according to those Kremlin stooges at Russia Today.

Oh, and just for the record, MSM is a dietary supplement and any conspiracy theorists who misuse that term in a pejorative sense are instantly losing the plot.

As you do not believe western mainstream media what would you consider a credible source of evidence?

Does Google not work in your country? Go look stuff up if you want to find info.

Oh wait, you're just doing this to push the narrative that Russia / Syria has done nothing wrong and any negative coverage is just western propaganda.

yawn.

While there was some indiscriminate shelling of west Aleppo by rebel forces, the sheer power of the Russian and Syrian air forces and the indiscriminate nature of their attacks meant that east Aleppo saw far greater civilian casualties in east Aleppo in both absolute and relative terms.

Where are these people getting there sources ?

There's nobody bar the civilians, rebels and the Russian/Syrian militaries. Msf ect all pulled out.

I'm not saying Russia and Syria haven't done anything wrong. I'm asking about three specific allegations -

1) Did any women actually commit suicide in Aleppo because there were 'rape gangs' ready to brutalise them?

2) Were any children burned alive by Assad's forces.

3) Were any of these bloggers actually speaking their final words before they were massacred as they told us?

These three claims were being widely reported as facts by the likes of the BBC, Sky News, The Guardian, etc etc. Surely by now there would be some evidence to support these allegations by now?

On the other hand in the last few days we had rebels burning convoy busses to hinder the evacuation of civilians and a rebel using his seven year old daughter as a suicide bomber.

I feel like I was the victim of 'fake news' ATM because it appears to me that these supposed atrocities never occurred, rather like Saddam's forces didn't actually throw any children out of incubators in Kuwait as the world was told or perhaps like Gaddafi's troops were not given Viagra and then sent out in rape gangs as the western media alleged.

There hasn't been so far. We tend to only get pro-rebel reports from people like Lina Shamy, the White Helmets and so on.

For an alternative view, have a look on Reddit at /r/syriancivilwar as they're very good at pointing out old/fake/wrong videos and have a look at things by Eva Bartlett and Vanessa Beeley and this one by Andrew Ashdown (a priest visiting Aleppo) - http://talfanzine.info/blog/2016/12/...ses-to-report/

A couple more links -

Carla Ortiz has also been there talking to people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jWrPVNYJUk

UN report into the attack on the humanitarian aid convoy
https://dpa-ps.atavist.com/summary-o...inquiry-report

Fake news = Things that go against posters pre-convieved ideas.
MSM = News outlets who I don't like because they go againt posters biases.

When was the last clean war A war where there were not thousands of civilians killed .
And are the places they took place any better off today.
Who was involved and are they today trying to make peoples lives better .
Nothing changes and no wars have been won.

Eva Bartlett's claims fact checked by Channel 4 the verdict her facts are almost certainly nonsense.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...yrian-children

It's also somewhat suspect that the amassed journalists of the world, a lot of whom are working for news outlets with hundreds of years of history and the journalistic reputation that comes with that, are all peddling lies fed to them by the US, including that notorious US corporate shill, Al Jazeera, whereas the only people telling the truth, uncorrupted by the regime change hungry US paymasters, are a group of 4 or 5 journalists telling us a fairly simple tale of the Syrian regime and the Russian's being humanitarian saints, the rebels being inhuman extremist monsters, and everyone saying otherwise, including people like Amnesty International and MSF, accused of lying.

The reality is clearly more complex than that, and those making things seem incredibly simple are probably lying

However we are told that the West is the area where only the truth is disseminated to the public. No one say that the Russians are the transmitters of all that is true but finding evidence that the Western Media have been at best duped, and at worst complicit in a direct lie, should be a cause for extreme concern because we are supposed to inhabit that moral high ground of honesty and integrity.

It's very convenient for you to disbelieve anything that goes against your narrative and then fully believe anything that confirms it.

You're out of hand dismissing anything you disagree with and then not treating the information you agree with with similar skepticism.

People in this thread are all agreeing with each other, seemingly without seeing how hilariously ironic you're being.

Unless I have misinterpreted what you are saying, it pains me to agree with you on something. All the press, on every side, is peddling propaganda disguised as news. For at favourite example of propaganda masquerading as news you only need to go back a few years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

Maybe some of them. She may not be right about some things, but it is still interesting to hear from people who have actually gone there to speak to people rather than just messages from 'activists'.

As an aside, I don't personally like the "fact checker" label and what it implies. If Channel 4 had the facts to be able to check against, they could state with complete certainty not "almost certainly".

I am not sure why it should pain you, I am not saying here anything different than what I usually say. Much of the news is propaganda in one form or another. Reporting stories without corroboration is just as bad as hiding known facts, choosing prejudiced pictures and affixing adjectives to groups as a matter of course. Reporting is different to commentating and all media mixes the two consistently.

The majority of civilian deaths were caused by the Rebel terrorists who would not let the civilians leave.

Says who?

It's less a case of the west being the only area the truth is reported (and are we regarding Al Jazeera, generally regarded as the most reliable source for middle eastern news, as mainstream western media?), more that the sheer amount of news outlets corroborating the mainstream news sources line suggest that either there's a conspiracy on a grand scale or there's probably a lot of truth there.

When it comes to the reporting of Syria, most mainstream western news characterises the conflict as a complex one between many different rebel groups, some extremist in nature, and some the west is covertly supplying arms to, against a dictatorial government backed by a heavy handed Russia, with all sides committing atrocities against civilians. This is mainly backed up by a variety of different and well respected NGOs that don't mave much of a history of distorting the truth. That's probably about as accurate a summation as you're going to get.

Counter that against an alternative news network of around 6 direct sources, with various alternative media outlets directly using these same sources. Most of these sources have some links with either the Assad regime or RT, and characterise the war as being the allied forces of Assad and Russia defeating brutal wahabbist terrorists directly armed by NATO, and liberating Syria. These sources have never criticised Assad or Russia, despite both having a fairly dodgy human rights history.

Which do you think is more likely to be trustworthy?

Which is more likely to be trustworthy? None at the current moment. The narrative is that indiscriminate barrel bombing of civilians was underway, deliberate targeting of civilians was underway, deliberate targeting of hospitals was underway and that a genocide was being perpetrated in Alleppo. There is no doubt that large scale bombing was occurring, many civilian deaths did occur but Western Alleppo received little mention as regards civilians dying there from rebel bombardment.

Neither. We know from experience that the western media lies and distorts events. We also know the alternative press is unreliable and that RT etc give out a one sided view of the news. We need to look at all media sources and realise that it is impossible to work out what is really going on. No one comes out of Syria with any credit, anjd the western governments need to take much of the blame for supporting (rebels, terrorists, freedom fighters - choose your own depending on your prejudices) who have caused much of the killing and prolonged the war.

Meanwhile, ISIS builds its stronghold in Palmyra, but we are too busy condemning Assad to bother doing anything about ISIS.

The same can be said to apply to 'MSM'. They've been relying on a relatively small number of sources, eg Rami the rag man of SHRO in Coventry, or people like Dilly 'Boy' Hussain from Bedford. Who cited this chappy-

https://www.rt.com/news/371250-alepp...-suicide-vest/

Bilal Abdul Kareem, who might be.. just a little biased. Or RT might be. Who knows? But we do know 'fake news', aka plain'ol propaganda is being used, eg-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7486541.html

And there's footage on YT from the Syrian rebels showing their 'hell cannons', mortars, tanks and heavy machine guns firing indiscriminately in Aleppo.

So after a nice night out I get in and check the news -I just watched a video of Syrian 'rebels' burning two captured Turkish soldiers alive - and people actually support these people over Assad?

You sick twisted f***tards.