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Old 21-12-2016, 22:49
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Article on the front page entitled '10 brilliant TV shows with terrible pilots'

Leaving aside the obvious fact it wasn't even a pilot (which the writer acknowledges so fair enough) I must say I am surprised to see 'Rose' included in this list. Seems terribly unfair.

I would never argue it is a classic in its own right and there are creaky bits here and there most of which can be explained away by the fact that this was all brand new and they were working out what worked and what didn't but I would argue 'Rose' is a very well written, confident and carefully crafted first episode. It does exactly what it had to do and rather well and its no small feat to re-introduce an entire new generation to all those concepts in the space of 45 minutes of TV.

'Christopher Eccleston already looked uncomfortable'- really? I thought he hit the ground running (literally. Pun intended) and that amazing speech he gives to Rose was the moment I breathed a sigh of relief as I new RTD was going to nail it. Piper was a revelation (I was baffled by the casting) and the Autons worked well as a mid-level threat that was just scary enough but not too iconic to overshadow everything else that was going on.

I know these kind of list articles are terribly popular at the moment and it must be hard to find things to include all the time. In this instance I think it's unfair and a bit of revisionist history. 'Rose' was really good. It still is.
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Old 22-12-2016, 00:30
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I agree.
Compared with some of what came later Rose now looks a bit mundane IMO, but as said it did what it had to do, re-introduce Doctor Who and its format to a whole new audience, including many people who would not even remember the 20th century series.
If that first episode had been panned and considered to be poor many people would not have watched subsequent episodes, the word that it was good would not have gone around, and the series would not have taken off and still be with us now.
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Old 22-12-2016, 01:52
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It's not the kind of episode that sets the world alight, and retrospectively it was the first of countless contemporary London invasions but it was far from awful. Finding its feet? Sure. Cheesy in places? Definitely. But Eccleston and Piper were superb from the start, and generally speaking the episode manages to get things going rather well.
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Old 22-12-2016, 02:23
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It's not the kind of episode that sets the world alight, and retrospectively it was the first of countless contemporary London invasions but it was far from awful. Finding its feet? Sure. Cheesy in places? Definitely. But Eccleston and Piper were superb from the start, and generally speaking the episode manages to get things going rather well.
I totally agree with this! The action scenes (particularly the ending, which didn't have enough peril, and of course...the bin (which, in retrospect, I actually love )) are somewhat cheesy, cheap and cheerful; but everything else in that episode is brilliant!

RTD nails what is still the best-ever entrance to the Tardis, with a TOP scene which Chris and Billie sell better than any Doctor/companion before or, indeed, since. I absolutely love that exchange...

'Alright, where do you wanna start?'
'The inside's bigger than the outside?'
'Yes'
'It's...alien.'
'Yep.'
'You're alien...'
'Yes. Is that alright?'
'Yeah.'

It looks a bit naff written down xD but I reckon it's one of the best scenes in the whole show.
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Old 22-12-2016, 10:56
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Article on the front page entitled '10 brilliant TV shows with terrible pilots'

Leaving aside the obvious fact it wasn't even a pilot (which the writer acknowledges so fair enough) I must say I am surprised to see 'Rose' included in this list. Seems terribly unfair.

I would never argue it is a classic in its own right and there are creaky bits here and there most of which can be explained away by the fact that this was all brand new and they were working out what worked and what didn't but I would argue 'Rose' is a very well written, confident and carefully crafted first episode. It does exactly what it had to do and rather well and its no small feat to re-introduce an entire new generation to all those concepts in the space of 45 minutes of TV.

'Christopher Eccleston already looked uncomfortable'- really? I thought he hit the ground running (literally. Pun intended) and that amazing speech he gives to Rose was the moment I breathed a sigh of relief as I new RTD was going to nail it. Piper was a revelation (I was baffled by the casting) and the Autons worked well as a mid-level threat that was just scary enough but not too iconic to overshadow everything else that was going on.

I know these kind of list articles are terribly popular at the moment and it must be hard to find things to include all the time. In this instance I think it's unfair and a bit of revisionist history. 'Rose' was really good. It still is.
Well, someone agrees with me!

Apart from Chris looking as if he was wishing he weren't there, the rest of it was fine as an introduction. Billie was very good.
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Old 22-12-2016, 15:15
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I gave up reading those silly Digital Spy 'top ten' list years ago, when they'd clearly asked some 17-year-old on work experience to compile a list of the best Batman film characters of all time. The list was entirely made of characters from the Christian Bale era. The moment I saw Anne Hathaway's Catwoman on the list and Michelle Pfeiffer nowhere to be seen, I realised they really weren't worth bothering with.

Perhaps we should compile a list of the Top Ten Worst Digital Spy Top Ten Lists of All Time.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:10
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I gave up reading those silly Digital Spy 'top ten' list years ago, when they'd clearly asked some 17-year-old on work experience to compile a list of the best Batman film characters of all time. The list was entirely made of characters from the Christian Bale era. The moment I saw Anne Hathaway's Catwoman on the list and Michelle Pfeiffer nowhere to be seen, I realised they really weren't worth bothering with.

Perhaps we should compile a list of the Top Ten Worst Digital Spy Top Ten Lists of All Time.
Haha. Very true! It'll be a challenge keeping it down to ten only though. The bizarre amount of Friends articles would make a list all of its own.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:16
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Of course within the top 10 list you would have to have at least one thing that wasn't actually a list.

Maybe make it a top 7 (as we couldn't be bothered thinking up 10) list as well
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:24
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It might not be a Classic, but after 16 years off screen 'Rose' was (and remains) a very important, and thankfully successful episode. It's got a confidence and a vim to it, the first great C21 Doctor speech, Mark Benson, Autons, a Doctor and companion who caught the viewer's interest, some broad and v silly bits....hell, it felt like Doctor Who.

Apart from the noticeable increase in budget and the pacing, it doesn't feel *that* different to 'Survival'. Just for the memories of the build up and the excitement of Who *finally* being back, I'm very fond of the story. Terrible it ain't. (Then again, v little Who from the beginning to the present I would describe as "terrible"!)
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:19
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Plus, it has the immortal line 'Wilson! I've got the lo'erry money!'

Oh, sorry, I meant, 'Fantastic!' as it was its first appearance.
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Old 23-12-2016, 19:56
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Rose is quite possibly my favourite New Who episode ever actually.

It didn't take itself too seriously and I like that. Mickey being eaten by the bin (and then his plastic equivalent at the restaurant) is hilarious, as is the Doctor being suffocated by that plastic arm. I like that it embraced DW as a crazy, zany sci-fi drama as opposed to the very sentimental Impossible Astronaut (which was fantastic too IMO, in its own way).
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:37
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Apart from Chris looking as if he was wishing he weren't there, the rest of it was fine as an introduction. Billie was very good.
To be honest, I think that kind of enhanced his performance.
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Old 25-12-2016, 20:58
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I think in hindsight Rose was quite good.
It set its stall out for the feel of what Doctor Who would be like in the future.
There's a lot of good in Rose and is arguably much better than many of the later episodes of DW in subsequent series.
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Old 26-12-2016, 00:11
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Article on the front page entitled '10 brilliant TV shows with terrible pilots'

Leaving aside the obvious fact it wasn't even a pilot (which the writer acknowledges so fair enough) I must say I am surprised to see 'Rose' included in this list. Seems terribly unfair.

I would never argue it is a classic in its own right and there are creaky bits here and there most of which can be explained away by the fact that this was all brand new and they were working out what worked and what didn't but I would argue 'Rose' is a very well written, confident and carefully crafted first episode. It does exactly what it had to do and rather well and its no small feat to re-introduce an entire new generation to all those concepts in the space of 45 minutes of TV.

'Christopher Eccleston already looked uncomfortable'- really? I thought he hit the ground running (literally. Pun intended) and that amazing speech he gives to Rose was the moment I breathed a sigh of relief as I new RTD was going to nail it. Piper was a revelation (I was baffled by the casting) and the Autons worked well as a mid-level threat that was just scary enough but not too iconic to overshadow everything else that was going on.

I know these kind of list articles are terribly popular at the moment and it must be hard to find things to include all the time. In this instance I think it's unfair and a bit of revisionist history. 'Rose' was really good. It still is.
They called Rose a pilot?

Man thats dumb, when the show has a history anyway and the sky guides always add up the series count in the listings.
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