I am pointing out the difference between providing drinking water and supporting a music industry. One can alleviate the effects of poverty through aid but when one is changing society then that goes beyond aid. In extreme examples the US and Australia adopted extreme methods of improving the poverty of their native populations by enforced cultural change. The incidence of poverty improved many lives were blighted by alcoholism and despair. Directing a society is a milder form.

Creating Ethiopia's first girl band and a few songs is only a small part of the girl effect project and yegna youth brand and its edutainment.

The aims are identical to direct aid to fund services for example improving eucation of girls, health, reducing violence, etc.

Completely different in method persuasion not coercion and completely different in intent to enable and make a society more prosperous not eradicate it.

Apologies as it's off topic but nonsense needs to be called nonsense....


What you are missing, that is relevant to this thread, is that what spent in foreign aid by the UK over a year is a pittance compared to what Britain's waste their money on in a few weeks.

Why not spend your time correcting the impression a black all girl group are receiving millions of pounds in foreign aid? Even that arch defender of women's rights MP Philip Davies didn't go as far to say in 2014 the group received millions of pounds in foreign aid, just some of it.

Can you even remember what you are posting?


That is complete and utter nonsense, I won't use links I'll use arithmetic.

2,600,000,000 / 64,000,000 = £41 for every person in Britain ON ONE DAY on Xmas cards.

17,600,000,000 / 64,000,000 = £275 for every person in Britain for Xmas cards for one year.

25,000,000,000 / 64,000,000 = £390 for every person Britain just for Xmas food.


You are completely lacking in independent logical thinking.


Why should anyone believe anything else you post when you clearly believe this rubbish and are repeatedly trying to defend it?

Are you one of the snake oil salesmen that sold this idea to the foreign aid committee,because you sound like it

Its not snake oil if it works.
The UK government is not alone in funding girl effect projects, the UN, USA, corporations and members of the public also provide funds. Which pay for everything from girls education to girls social clubs to legal costs of victims of violence seeking justice.
If you don't like girl effect there are numerous other charities you can donate to if you have money you are willing to give to help others.

Why not spend any spare time you've got before midnight writing to Santa and asking him for a calculator, (the one you've got is obviously broken), and then in future when you're trying to make a point such as the above it perhaps won't be diluted with accompanying figures straight out of la la land.

Just goes to show how gullible and politically correct people are desperate to be.
I'm sure this "charidee" has its highly paid directors and its tax free status in play.

I think it's more an example of how 'outraged' people are desperate to be

I did say they were extreme examples and they were done with the best of intentions although utterly misguided as we now believe. It is with the best of intentions that the funding is now being delivered and I will repeat the point that we are providing funding to secure better education for women, remove fear of violence, stop honour crimes and reduce FGM in a foreign country yet all those problems are increasing in our own country.

I think you are being naive if you think they were done with the best of intentions.

It is unknown if the increase is due to more reporting and better data collection or more incidents. They are major problems with about three thousands cases of honour based violence in the UK recorded by police in 2015 and 43 cases of FGM of women born in the UK recorded by the NHS in 2015. The UK government is and has taken measures in the UK to try and increase reporting and tackle the problems. So what's your point? The UK can simultaneously tackle problems in the UK and help people abroad it is not a binary choice of only doing one or the other.

I think people believed implicitly it was right, so with the best of intentions to civilise those who were believed to be uncivilised and would benefit greatly from being civilised. The fact we believe differently now does not change the why.
The 43 cases you highlight are totally disingenuous largely because there were 5700 new cases in the same period and it was not recorded how many were British Citizens or even British residents when the procedure was carried out. Your figure masks a wealth of unknown sin as it is also estimated some 20,000 UK residents are at risk every year. Although a specific act in 2003 made the procedure illegal and although just taking your 43 figure for 2015 alone there has not been any successful prosecution either that year or any year The point is it is decreasing abroad thanks partly to our aid, it is increasing here thanks mainly to our lack of funds to tackle it properly as is confirmed by almost every body dealing with the issue here.

I said it was a major problem. I also note you did not take issue with my figure for reported honour violence of over three thousand cases reported to the police last year.

The 5,700 newly recorded cases of FGM are for the first year national figures have ever been collected and published by the NHS. There are no previous national figures to compare it to, to claim it shows a increase.

The 5,700 cases were newly recorded this does not mean the FGM recently happened the most common age FGM is done to girls is age 5 to 9.

5,700 newly recorded cases of FGM
date of birth recorded in 99.9% of cases. 106 were girls under 18
country of birth recorded in 38% of cases. 43 were born in the UK
country where FGM took place known in 22% of cases. 18 took place in the UK (at least 10 were piercings) note all female genital piercings are regarded by the World Health Organization as FGM including those done by the women's choice. In accordance to that the NHS figures for FGM include piercings. Worse the NHS figures make no distinction between legal piercings done by a woman's choice and illegal FGM including illegal piercings.

The 20,000 is not each year it is girls aged under 15 currently living in the UK who are deemed to could be at risk. This assessment of risk is based of a estimate of the number whose mothers have FGM.

Foreign Aid contractors who are wasting our money due to be named and shamed ,not before time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-named-shamed/

Or more transparency so the public can more easily see tabloid lies about wasted money on foreign aid for what they are.

Life is too short to take issue with every fact you post. There are no national stats on FGM because it was not a prevalent problem and it is only because it has become a problem that it has now received analysis. My comment as regards increase was over a period of decades where it was not a problem to today where it is a problem. It may have decreased in the last few years we just do not know. What is clear is that it has come from nowhere to a problem. What is also clear is personal testimony from the many pressure groups fighting fgm.

I am well aware of the limitations of the recording of the stats and referred to that in my post when I referred to your figure of 43. The 5,700 new cases we do not know how, when or where the procedure was carried out. What we also know is the personal testimonies of many victims who confirm that cutting parties occur with one cutter coming in and during the cutting season many are taken abroad.

I am well aware that 20,000 is the total number assumed to be at risk in any one year and that some are removed from the list as they either have the procedure and are discovered, become another year older or move abroad or even die. However other girls are added as they become older or move to the UK with their parents. Any child in the UK has all the rights of a UK citizen and should also have available social service protection if suspected of being at risk of any form of abuse.

As the UK is much more generous than the vast majority of nations that should be a pre-requisite.

SNAKE OIL TAP TURNED OFF

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers-money.html

Disgusting campaign from a disgusting newspaper.

Good

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-ends-mi...girls-10720443

Well done Mail.
Can't have black girls being educated and skilled to help lift them out of poverty, can we.

Along with judicial reform, membership of the EU and foreign aid, the Daily Mail continues to make a welcome contribution to UK government policy.

I feel sorry for the girls.

The blame for this happening lays at the door of who ever sanctioned it in the first place why doesn't the Mail who hounding them out of a job ?