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Mark_Jones9
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“Look at the council that lost millions in the Iceland financial crash a few years ago. They've been allowed to expand and empire-build far beyond what is reasonable. Cut them back to necessary services, cut salaries in line with the private sector, and abolish public sector pensions entirely. Change laws if necessary.”

Councils Iceland bank losses were reimbursed by the UK government and the UK government eventually by Iceland.
Happ Hazzard
22-12-2016
But how did that council come to have that much money stashed away in the first place? Why didn't they reduce council tax if they had a surplus of funds?
Maxatoria
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“But how did that council come to have that much money stashed away in the first place? Why didn't they reduce council tax if they had a surplus of funds?”

Why would they not? theres plenty of rather expensive things that can easily happen...bus crashes into a bridge now yes insurance will sort out out but in the time before so people can use the public highway!!

Every council keeps or tries to keep a slush fund so in case of emergency, what happens should a 9 year old girl need immediate safety and security.

Generally a troll doth being sensed and much amusement being sent that way.
Mark_Jones9
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“But how did that council come to have that much money stashed away in the first place? Why didn't they reduce council tax if they had a surplus of funds?”

Maybe they manage their employees pensions?
Happ Hazzard
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
“Why would they not? theres plenty of rather expensive things that can easily happen...bus crashes into a bridge now yes insurance will sort out out but in the time before so people can use the public highway!!

Every council keeps or tries to keep a slush fund so in case of emergency, what happens should a 9 year old girl need immediate safety and security.

Generally a troll doth being sensed and much amusement being sent that way.”

I'm not a troll.

Councils had over £1 billion in Icelandic banks. What catastrophe were they expecting? Would a local council have even been expected to deal with a disaster on that scale and not the national government? Could they have even accessed the money at short notice?
niceguy1966
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pencil:
“I'm sure that the vast majority of people who voted leave the EU knew how difficult it would be and that prices would rise. Those facts were practically rammed down everyone's throat.

Fortunately though, the majority of people decided that it's worth it. The EU is bad news and in the long run, we're far better off out.”

And every time those facts were explained, there was a chorus of "project fear" screamed by Brexit campaigners.

You can't assume the vast majority of people knew anything.
Happ Hazzard
22-12-2016
Enough people knew one thing, they wanted out of the EU. That's all that mattered. This country will succeed or fail on it's own merits from now on. Governments have nowhere to hide, no-one to blame.
Maxatoria
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“I'm not a troll.

Councils had over £1 billion in Icelandic banks. What catastrophe were they expecting? Would a local council have even been expected to deal with a disaster on that scale and not the national government? Could they have even accessed the money at short notice?”

Councils had to get the best returns on investment by law...so if some Icelandic bank would offer 5 or 10% then they would have to take it or get in serious trouble with the auditors.

Don't blame the councils but those who wrote the rules.
Talma
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
“The problem is that councils are required by law to provide certain services and as such much paperwork must go through many hands as you need to be able to respond promptly to a FOIA request etc.

The pension thing was always a way to save spending money by passing the actual cost down the line as you didn't get a great wage compared to someone in the private sector but you thought that with perhaps a more secure job and a better pension things balanced out.

These days from what i've seen from my old friends at the council is that its brutal, lots of jobs are now for fixed terms and the pension terms are now the same as everyone else, constant reorganization meaning that there is no job security and literally as soon as one reorg has finished they're on the next.”

Exactly this. I have a friend who has been in local government for 20 years but her office got merged with a neighbouring council' s equivalent but also reduced and now three people do what was five people's jobs, covering a much bigger area and having to re-apply for those jobs or on a similar level more or less every year. Then there's the constant reorganisation as you say, nothing is stable. And the pension was originally set up to balance out the lower salaries on offer, which of course has been changed to their detriment.
allaorta
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“I'm not a troll.

Councils had over £1 billion in Icelandic banks. What catastrophe were they expecting? Would a local council have even been expected to deal with a disaster on that scale and not the national government? Could they have even accessed the money at short notice?”

Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
“Councils had to get the best returns on investment by law...so if some Icelandic bank would offer 5 or 10% then they would have to take it or get in serious trouble with the auditors.

Don't blame the councils but those who wrote the rules.”

The most recent Icelandic bank crash was not the first and neither was it a first for UK local authorities who had deposited money with them. The first one was in recent times and I have all the sympathy in the world for the public whose money was being foolishly invested and no sympathy for those who were making the investments; I'd have sacked the lot.
allaorta
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
“Councils had to get the best returns on investment by law...so if some Icelandic bank would offer 5 or 10% then they would have to take it or get in serious trouble with the auditors.

Don't blame the councils but those who wrote the rules.”

So why wasn't every local authority investing in Icelandic banks?
LostFool
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Jones9:
“Councils Iceland bank losses were reimbursed by the UK government and the UK government eventually by Iceland.”

Although it didn't help UK-Iceland relations that the Brown government used anti-terrorism laws to freeze the assets of Icelandic banks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...don-Brown.html
niceguy1966
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Happ Hazzard:
“Enough people knew one thing, they wanted out of the EU. That's all that mattered. This country will succeed or fail on it's own merits from now on. Governments have nowhere to hide, no-one to blame.”

First sentence, yes

The rest is total guff. We have always given judgement on government performance at general elections. Never has the UK population decided to keep an unpopular government and blamed the EU.
Nodger
23-12-2016
Excellent.
Jayceef1
23-12-2016
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“You two should share a room.”

I think they already do
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