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Old 22-12-2016, 15:00
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Is this good or bad?

Will it affect viewers and or TVL payers in any way?

http://www.rapidtvnews.com/201612214...#axzz4TZxm9uij
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:14
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Excellent news. I am more concerned about the '100% outsourcing by the end of the next Charter' to be honest with you.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:37
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Shaping up to be a disaster for the Beeb I'm afraid. Once you lose your top shows to the indies, whats the point in paying a licence fee anymore - or having a purely publisher/broadcaster BBC. It's the programmes that makes (made) the BBC. Take them away, and what are you left with??
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:37
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It was strange that ITV could make programmes for the BBC
but the BBC could not make programmes for ITV ......

The concept of most programmes on BBC being up for tender
Without similar requirement for ITV ( which is the USAs largest Indy) or five
Seems to continue this ......
But I'm sure BBC studios will win certain genres more than under the Wocc.

But it is many years since the BBC was the largest uk employer of non journalistic production staff ......
But this move may increase BBC staff numbers .....
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:40
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Apparently EastEnders is being put out to tender in the Spring but BBC Studios themselves will bid to retain production of it. The whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Disaster waiting to happen does spring to mind.
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:44
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I feel the BBC should only make programmes for BBC channels, if BBC shows start to appear on other channels what makes the BBC special anymore?
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Old 22-12-2016, 16:57
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This is a privatisation of the BBC.

But the very worst type of privatisation where the public have no real power over it, other than to cough up the dough.


A situation where public money is gifted to private firms is always going to be terrible.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:02
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Apparently EastEnders is being put out to tender in the Spring but BBC Studios themselves will bid to retain production of it. The whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Disaster waiting to happen does spring to mind.
It's a bit ridiculous. It's like when local councils outsource contracts for maintenance or similar but their own department don't have the biggest bid.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:03
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...A situation where public money is gifted to private firms is always going to be terrible.
Sadly our country is riddled with this phenomena isn't it.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:04
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Apparently EastEnders is being put out to tender in the Spring but BBC Studios themselves will bid to retain production of it. The whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Disaster waiting to happen does spring to mind.
If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:05
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I feel the BBC should only make programmes for BBC channels, if BBC shows start to appear on other channels what makes the BBC special anymore?
That's not going to happen though. This is simply the existing in-house studio and production arm being given a free rein to offer its facilities to all broadcasters. Aside from indie production companies offering their concept to other broadcasters (cf. Great British Bake Off), programme commissions by the BBC will still appear on BBC channels.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:10
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It's quite bizarre that the so-called right-wing are constantly doing this type of thing.
It's more like some version of communism where the public toil to support an elite and given what an elite think is good enough.

If the desire is to serve the public you don't get it by by-passing the public!
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:12
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
ITV already makes quite a lot of programmes for the BBC, and there's never been a problem before.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:13
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The profit motive is incompatible with public service.

It doesn't matter what a profit-driven entity is supposed to do, we know what they actually do in real life and it's not serving the public.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:15
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ITV already makes quite a lot of programmes for the BBC, and there's never been a problem before.
...but we are talking about EastEnders here...a BBC show?

The BBC's biggest shows (EastEnders/Strictly) should remain in-house in my view.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:15
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
Bear in mind two things:

1) Ultimately, it will be the BBC who choose the production company, so if they are happy with BBC Studios' existing treatment of the programme, they are likely to award it back to BBC Studios (assuming that BBC Studios have not been silly with their financial requirements).

2) ITV have made content for the BBC in the past. The one that immediately springs to mind is What The Papers Say from some years back. Originally broadcast on ITV and Channel 4, it was last shown on the BBC, and was made by Granada Television (as it then was).
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:19
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I feel the BBC should only make programmes for BBC channels, if BBC shows start to appear on other channels what makes the BBC special anymore?
There are many BBC programmes which are distinctive BBC which are not made by the BBC ... Most drama for example ...

If you read ofcoms report of last year
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...tor_review.pdf
You can see how the market is currently set up give or take itvs purchase of Two Four ..
And how many indies are non qualifying as they are owned by broadcasters ...
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:21
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Bear in mind two things:

1) Ultimately, it will be the BBC who choose the production company, so if they are happy with BBC Studios' existing treatment of the programme, they are likely to award it back to BBC Studios (assuming that BBC Studios have not been silly with their financial requirements).

2) ITV have made content for the BBC in the past. The one that immediately springs to mind is What The Papers Say from some years back. Originally broadcast on ITV and Channel 4, it was last shown on the BBC, and was made by Granada Television (as it then was).
Ok Mossy, fair points. Obviously the BBC will have to operate 'fair outsourcing' won't it and be seen to be fair.

Obviously the BBC will retain the IP of content originally created by the Beeb, but all this outsourcing lark does make me nervous. I think it would be better if BBC Studios retained content currently produced by BBC Studios. The BBC can then outsource 'new commissions'.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:22
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
Because they would lose the contract otherwise? They wouldn't be able to deliberately sabotage EE as you're suggesting, otherwise they would lose money.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:29
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Shaping up to be a disaster for the Beeb I'm afraid. Once you lose your top shows to the indies, whats the point in paying a licence fee anymore - or having a purely publisher/broadcaster BBC. It's the programmes that makes (made) the BBC. Take them away, and what are you left with??
Define lose though? Contracting out the production of a programme means they retain the rights to the programme. They don't lose them, they remains the property of the BBC, they are just produced by an outside company.

I disagree with the move of contracting out programming to private companies when the BBC is perfectly capable of producing them. But that would not benefit the fat-cats in the private sector, every time the Conservatives are in power the public sector is attacked for the benefit of the private sector at the expense of the public.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:31
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As public money is being spent, there do need to be some safe guards in place, for example, the indies only get paid if they do a good job. If they muck up, they don't get paid. We are talking about the BBC here. A very important UK institution.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:36
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
Surely the contract to produce it would include performance clauses and any attempt to do anything other than a good job would result in cancellation of the contract.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:40
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As public money is being spent, there do need to be some safe guards in place, for example, the indies only get paid if they do a good job. If they muck up, they don't get paid. We are talking about the BBC here. A very important UK institution.
At the moment 44% of the BBC output is made by indies
See fig 10 at about p 30 of the ofcom report
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...tor_review.pdf

This is the 25 % quota plus 77% of the 25% which is in the WOCC .
The BBC is required to operate the Window of Creative Competition (WoCC) within which in-house and independent producers can compete. The WoCC came fully into effect on 01 April 2007.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:43
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Surely the contract to produce it would include performance clauses and any attempt to do anything other than a good job would result in cancellation of the contract.
Well let's hope the contracts are very tightly written. I don't trust ITV (or Sky) at all.
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Old 22-12-2016, 17:44
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At the moment 44% of the BBC output is made by indies
See fig 10 at about p 30 of the ofcom report
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...tor_review.pdf

This is the 25 % quota plus 77% of the 25% which is in the WOCC .
The BBC is required to operate the Window of Creative Competition (WoCC) within which in-house and independent producers can compete. The WoCC came fully into effect on 01 April 2007.
Ok. But the BBC's flagships are all made in-house currently aren't they.
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