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BBC Studios given approval to become commercial from April 2017.
Is this good or bad?
Will it affect viewers and or TVL payers in any way? http://www.rapidtvnews.com/201612214...#axzz4TZxm9uij |
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Excellent news. I am more concerned about the '100% outsourcing by the end of the next Charter' to be honest with you.
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Shaping up to be a disaster for the Beeb I'm afraid. Once you lose your top shows to the indies, whats the point in paying a licence fee anymore - or having a purely publisher/broadcaster BBC. It's the programmes that makes (made) the BBC. Take them away, and what are you left with??
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It was strange that ITV could make programmes for the BBC
but the BBC could not make programmes for ITV ...... The concept of most programmes on BBC being up for tender Without similar requirement for ITV ( which is the USAs largest Indy) or five Seems to continue this ...... But I'm sure BBC studios will win certain genres more than under the Wocc. But it is many years since the BBC was the largest uk employer of non journalistic production staff ...... But this move may increase BBC staff numbers ..... |
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Apparently EastEnders is being put out to tender in the Spring but BBC Studios themselves will bid to retain production of it. The whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Disaster waiting to happen does spring to mind.
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I feel the BBC should only make programmes for BBC channels, if BBC shows start to appear on other channels what makes the BBC special anymore?
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This is a privatisation of the BBC.
But the very worst type of privatisation where the public have no real power over it, other than to cough up the dough. A situation where public money is gifted to private firms is always going to be terrible. |
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Apparently EastEnders is being put out to tender in the Spring but BBC Studios themselves will bid to retain production of it. The whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Disaster waiting to happen does spring to mind.
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...A situation where public money is gifted to private firms is always going to be terrible.
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Apparently EastEnders is being put out to tender in the Spring but BBC Studios themselves will bid to retain production of it. The whole thing sounds bizarre to me. Disaster waiting to happen does spring to mind.
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I feel the BBC should only make programmes for BBC channels, if BBC shows start to appear on other channels what makes the BBC special anymore?
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It's quite bizarre that the so-called right-wing are constantly doing this type of thing.
It's more like some version of communism where the public toil to support an elite and given what an elite think is good enough. If the desire is to serve the public you don't get it by by-passing the public! |
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
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The profit motive is incompatible with public service.
It doesn't matter what a profit-driven entity is supposed to do, we know what they actually do in real life and it's not serving the public. |
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ITV already makes quite a lot of programmes for the BBC, and there's never been a problem before.
The BBC's biggest shows (EastEnders/Strictly) should remain in-house in my view. |
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
1) Ultimately, it will be the BBC who choose the production company, so if they are happy with BBC Studios' existing treatment of the programme, they are likely to award it back to BBC Studios (assuming that BBC Studios have not been silly with their financial requirements). 2) ITV have made content for the BBC in the past. The one that immediately springs to mind is What The Papers Say from some years back. Originally broadcast on ITV and Channel 4, it was last shown on the BBC, and was made by Granada Television (as it then was). |
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I feel the BBC should only make programmes for BBC channels, if BBC shows start to appear on other channels what makes the BBC special anymore?
If you read ofcoms report of last year https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...tor_review.pdf You can see how the market is currently set up give or take itvs purchase of Two Four .. And how many indies are non qualifying as they are owned by broadcasters ... |
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Bear in mind two things:
1) Ultimately, it will be the BBC who choose the production company, so if they are happy with BBC Studios' existing treatment of the programme, they are likely to award it back to BBC Studios (assuming that BBC Studios have not been silly with their financial requirements). 2) ITV have made content for the BBC in the past. The one that immediately springs to mind is What The Papers Say from some years back. Originally broadcast on ITV and Channel 4, it was last shown on the BBC, and was made by Granada Television (as it then was). Obviously the BBC will retain the IP of content originally created by the Beeb, but all this outsourcing lark does make me nervous. I think it would be better if BBC Studios retained content currently produced by BBC Studios. The BBC can then outsource 'new commissions'. |
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
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Shaping up to be a disaster for the Beeb I'm afraid. Once you lose your top shows to the indies, whats the point in paying a licence fee anymore - or having a purely publisher/broadcaster BBC. It's the programmes that makes (made) the BBC. Take them away, and what are you left with??
I disagree with the move of contracting out programming to private companies when the BBC is perfectly capable of producing them. But that would not benefit the fat-cats in the private sector, every time the Conservatives are in power the public sector is attacked for the benefit of the private sector at the expense of the public. |
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As public money is being spent, there do need to be some safe guards in place, for example, the indies only get paid if they do a good job. If they muck up, they don't get paid. We are talking about the BBC here. A very important UK institution.
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
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As public money is being spent, there do need to be some safe guards in place, for example, the indies only get paid if they do a good job. If they muck up, they don't get paid. We are talking about the BBC here. A very important UK institution.
See fig 10 at about p 30 of the ofcom report https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...tor_review.pdf This is the 25 % quota plus 77% of the 25% which is in the WOCC . The BBC is required to operate the Window of Creative Competition (WoCC) within which in-house and independent producers can compete. The WoCC came fully into effect on 01 April 2007. |
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Surely the contract to produce it would include performance clauses and any attempt to do anything other than a good job would result in cancellation of the contract.
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At the moment 44% of the BBC output is made by indies
See fig 10 at about p 30 of the ofcom report https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...tor_review.pdf This is the 25 % quota plus 77% of the 25% which is in the WOCC . The BBC is required to operate the Window of Creative Competition (WoCC) within which in-house and independent producers can compete. The WoCC came fully into effect on 01 April 2007. |
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