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Old 22-12-2016, 18:07
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Ok. But the BBC's flagships are all made in-house currently aren't they.
As I said most drama is not made by the BBC

As of 18 months ago
Nearly one in six hours of BBC TV programmes are now made by producers owned or part-owned by a rival broadcaster including Poldark, the Graham Norton Show and the Great British Bake Off.
....The WoCC has long been dominated by independent producers, which accounted for 81% of available comedy hours last year, 89% of factual and entertainment hours and 100% of all drama.

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See https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nked-to-rivals

But the BBC Press release
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...udios-approval
Highlight s BBC production teams have been making many of the UK’s most-loved shows for over 50 years - from Planet Earth II, Strictly Come Dancing and Doctor Who to Mrs Brown’s Boys, Top Gear and The Proms, their programmes are renowned for their quality and are hugely popular with audiences in the UK and around the world.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:10
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BBC Studios already make programmes for ITV, Channel 4 and Sky and I'm sure the BBC will retain major productions like EE, Holby and Casualty in-house.The BBC are shortly to reopen three refurbished studios at TV Centre.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:11
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Putting EastEnders out for bidding is one thing but what about Strictly? its their biggest earner. Are they really going to potentially risk losing production control over it?
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:11
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BBC Studios already make programmes for ITV, Channel 4 and Sky and I'm sure the BBC will retain major productions like EE, Holby and Casualty in-house.
I thought Holby City was one of the progammes put out to tender?
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:19
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Well let's hope the contracts are very tightly written. I don't trust ITV (or Sky) at all.
Based on what evidence or previous dealings with Sky or ITV? None whatsoever I suspect.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:20
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BBC Studios already make programmes for ITV, Channel 4 and Sky and I'm sure the BBC will retain major productions like EE, Holby and Casualty in-house.The BBC are shortly to reopen three refurbished studios at TV Centre.
BBC Studios are a production company ....... Which starts trading 1april 2017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...udios-approval

BBC studioworks was BBC s&pp was BBC resources etc is the facilities company which has been serving the industry for almost 20 years ....
And it is them not the BBC who will have studios in TC to augment those at BBC Elstree and elstree studios and the paint factory in Bristol ,
https://www.bbcstudioworks.com
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:20
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Some years back I said that BBC Worldwide is undermining the BBC as a public service because increasingly BBC executives were cooking up programmes that can attract viewers to it's overseas commercial arm and allied channels.

This was mostly the more expensive stuff, drama. So we got these US TV knock-offs.


In this BBC Studios case, the effect will be to introduce very risk-averse programme making.
This is because there is no benefit for these private firms in taking risks.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:23
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Dearioe me, the panic has set in already! BBC Scotland already hires the facilities in their Glasgow HQ to other media companies. Catchphrase (ITV) is an STV programme, with an ITV/STV producer, director etc. All the BBC hire out is the space and technical facilities to record the show, which is income for them. Mrs Brown's Boys is an RTE show, but Brendan insisted it was done in Glasgow, so they used the BBC. I can't see any sign of privatisation - only good business practice! The Lottery quizzes, Weakest Link and the likes were/are shot in Glasgow.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:26
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I thought Holby City was one of the progammes put out to tender?
It is along with songs of praise and question of sport
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...tive-tendering

But there is nothing to stop BBC studios winning the tenders ....
Just like the WOCC .

More FAQs at http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/n...harlotte-moore
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:26
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MBBs is actually an RTE/BBC NI co-production but don't let the facts get in the way of the story.The Weakest Link actually started at BBC Elstree.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:28
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Putting EastEnders out for bidding is one thing but what about Strictly? its their biggest earner. Are they really going to potentially risk losing production control over it?

But remember BBC Studios are still allowed to bid, and in the case of EastEnders they would obviously win because no indie is going to be able to produce the soap for less money and better quality.

Plus (I'm assuming) seeing as the BBC own the set to EE at Elstree, any indie bidding for it would have to look for separate premises as the BBC is under no obligation to give them their property. So it would be quite easy for the BBC to say, no-one else can make EE to the high quality we do, and BBC Studios will win the contract.

Same with Strictly.

I expect this to happen.

Obviously smaller shows or ones that are easier to create can be given to indies, which I have no problem with.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:29
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I thought Holby City was one of the progammes put out to tender?
But we don't know who will win it, I expect BBC Studios will win Holby, whilst indies will win QOS and SOP.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:30
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MBBs is actually an RTE/BBC NI co-production but don't let the facts get in the way of the story.
And where is it recorded?
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:32
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Some years back I said that BBC Worldwide is undermining the BBC as a public service because increasingly BBC executives were cooking up programmes that can attract viewers to it's overseas commercial arm and allied channels.

This was mostly the more expensive stuff, drama. So we got these US TV knock-offs.


In this BBC Studios case, the effect will be to introduce very risk-averse programme making.
This is because there is no benefit for these private firms in taking risks.
The BBC makes very little drama
Out if it's 16 top ones see http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...ing-bbc-dramas
Only eastenders and dr who are BBC productions... Also holby and doctors
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:35
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Ok. But the BBC's flagships are all made in-house currently aren't they.
You can't get much bigger than The Great British Bake Off as a flagship show and that isn't.
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:04
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Isn't Casualty made in house ?
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Old 22-12-2016, 20:29
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Well let's hope the contracts are very tightly written. I don't trust ITV (or Sky) at all.
Sky are the worst, i've never come across a more sly and underneath company.

Business is business, but they sink it to a whole new level.
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Old 22-12-2016, 20:45
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If ITV Studios, for example, win the contract, how can they be trusted to do a good job with their conflict of interest?
Graham Norton's show is an ITV production, HIGNFY has always been produced at The London Studios, which right back in the early 90s (when HIGNFY started) was owned by LWT.

Even very 'BBC' type programmes are produced by ITV. Recent example the Canal and Bus Ride films on BBC 4.

There was recent one major BBC 1 drama produced by ITV, but I can't remember.

The quality of any show or programme is largely determined by the quality of the production team and of course performers, and you'd be surprised how many are freelance, and constantly rotate between the BBC and all those evil commercial broadcasters.
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Old 22-12-2016, 20:47
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Sky are the worst, i've never come across a more sly and underneath company.

Business is business, but they sink it to a whole new level.
Tell us more please ?

I've had a few professional dealings with them, they know what they want, and they get on and do it

What's the problem, they've not paid your invoices or something ?
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:02
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There was recent one major BBC 1 drama produced by ITV, but I can't remember.
Poldark. This Christmas's major BBC one drama The Witness For The Prosecution and last year's And Then There Were None are also made by ITV Studios.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:14
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Poldark. This Christmas's major BBC one drama The Witness For The Prosecution and last year's And Then There Were None are also made by ITV Studios.
With many of these shows, their made by an independent production company, which has been purchased by ITV (who've been heavily investing in such companies recently) so different from shows like What the Papers Say which was an in house ITV show.

Often the same people can have different hats

Doctor Who currently run by Steven Moffat, is an in house BBC (Wales) production. Sherlock, run by Moffat and many Doctor Who type people (Mark Gattis, Steve Thompson) is an independent production (Hartswood)
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:59
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I have a VHS tape of Tubular Bells 2 recorded on BBC1. The programme prior to this was What The Papers Say and the end credits were "A Granada Production" This was the 1990s!
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:10
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Can someone explain how the BBC can be made to put out to tender programmes it developed itself?
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:36
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Can someone explain how the BBC can be made to put out to tender programmes it developed itself?
Because the government says it has to.

It'll still own the IP and the distribution rights to the programmes, but it's to generate more work for the indy market.
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Old 23-12-2016, 03:00
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There is just no reason for government to be helping out private firms in any area of endeavour.

But that's all they ever do these days.

Helping out the public with a significant TV Licence cut would be how a true Conservative Party would act, then the only way any private firm could get that money is if they served the public.
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