Originally Posted by oncemore:
“Technically, more of them voted for her
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“Technically, more of them voted for her
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No they didn't, as the only numbers that are important, are those of the electoral college.
Trump: US to vastly increase nuclear armaments
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Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“Is she into more nukes? US gets more nukes, Iran decides it needs nukes, as a result of Iran wanting nukes Saudi Arabia decides it needs nukes, Israel decides it needs more nukes because Iran and Saudi Arabia have more nukes, Russia gets more nukes because the US has more nukes, China gets more nukes because Russia and U have more nukes, Japan decides it needs nukes because China and Russia have nukes, North Korea gets more nukes because Japan has nukes, South Korea gets nukes because North Korea has nukes, India decides that as everyone else has nukes then it needs more nukes - as does Pakistan...”
“Is she into more nukes? US gets more nukes, Iran decides it needs nukes, as a result of Iran wanting nukes Saudi Arabia decides it needs nukes, Israel decides it needs more nukes because Iran and Saudi Arabia have more nukes, Russia gets more nukes because the US has more nukes, China gets more nukes because Russia and U have more nukes, Japan decides it needs nukes because China and Russia have nukes, North Korea gets more nukes because Japan has nukes, South Korea gets nukes because North Korea has nukes, India decides that as everyone else has nukes then it needs more nukes - as does Pakistan...”
How low down on your list are we? Or do we not get any??
Originally Posted by lemoncurd:
“Joy.
That's what working class Americans wanted their tax dollars spunked on, I'm sure.”
“Joy.
That's what working class Americans wanted their tax dollars spunked on, I'm sure.”
Trump is an ignoramus. He doesn't understand what he's talking about - and, as his national security team are all land forces generals, they may not either.
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He can't increase US strategic nuclear force levels - they are limited by treaty with Russia.
The US is about to start developing new weapons to replace its 1960/62 vintage bombers, and late 60s, land based missiles, and, its, soon to be time expired, ballsitic missile subs - that replacement programme is long overdue. But nothing can be bought until its developed - which will mean the new equipment won't be ready to buy before the late 2020's, and most will come into service in the 2030s and 40s.
Russia and China, however, are half way through modernising their forces - now. That means that they have hot production lines, and can step up procurement - now - while the US can't make more B52s or Minutemen , and can't build their replacements yet .
Breaking the arms control treaties with Russia would also advantage Russia , as its bigger missiles can easily be loaded with extra , now prohibited , warheads. The US can add some warheads too - from reserve stocks , but in significantly smaller numbers. So if Trump braeks out of the treaties - the Russians will end up with a significantly larger force than the US.
However you interpret it, its a dumb Trump statement - if its about the strategic nuclear replacement programme , that can't be advanced, and he shouldn't be implying increases in numbers. If he's talking about increasing nuclear weapons totals now - he can't do it now, and trying would lead to the Russians gaining a big advantage, in first strike capability between now and the mid2030s .
its the same with Trump's expansion of conventional capability. The Navy's plan to spend the extra money, that it probably needs anyway, can't possibly deliver extra capability - until after Trump's terms are up. It takes about 8 years to build a submarine , a destroyer takes 6-10 , and an aircraft carrier currently takes 12 . Until something actually turns up in service, Trump is left spouting hot air - and the Chinese won't now be counting what may arrive after 2035.
This sort of action makes me very disappointed and nervous. Trump absolutely has to understand these kind provocations will add to international tensions. There is something quite terrifying about this - posturing
Yes the US and UK need to modernise their nuclear weapons, but why announce it on twitter?????????????
He was using the internet to sabre rattle Putin and that is unnecessary and counter productive.
Yes the US and UK need to modernise their nuclear weapons, but why announce it on twitter?????????????
He was using the internet to sabre rattle Putin and that is unnecessary and counter productive.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Isn't this the sort of thing Presidents who are presented with Nobel Peace Prizes do?”
“Isn't this the sort of thing Presidents who are presented with Nobel Peace Prizes do?”
What? Threaten to blow all existing arms control agreements , and build weapons no one in america has even developed yet, and move the strategic nuclear balance in favour of Russia?
He's not offering disarmament , and the US building up its nuclear forces leaves Russia, China, N Korea, israel, Pakistan. and India with all their existing stratgeic necessity to have nuclear weapons, plus a bigger US threat , or a threat from someone likely to react to the US increase by developing one. And Trump's unreliability with allies makes the French and British deterrents more essential, and the Noth Asian llaies going nuclear , more likely.
I don't think they give out nobel prices for making the world arm up with nuclear weapons, and becoming less stable. Obama got one , for not being Bush.
I think its interesting though, Trump still knows nothing, Trump is still thinking that things will be built - when he tells people to build them - not knowing that military programmes take far longer than tower blocks. He still thinks nuclear weapons are about being used, other than being deterrents to nuclear attacks, and to pose risks to potential conventional attackers. He's 71 years behind the nuclear strategy learning curve. And he's still seeing the world as a business competition- where you outspend and out buy, the competition , and they give up . Sadly Russia and China are not open to take over bids.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“No they didn't, as the only numbers that are important, are those of the electoral college.”
“No they didn't, as the only numbers that are important, are those of the electoral college.”
Yes, technically more individuals voted for her, so you can know that whatever he does, he didn't actually win the popular vote, nor does he have a mandate.
he just had more voters in the right places.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Isn't this the sort of thing Presidents who are presented with Nobel Peace Prizes do?”
“Isn't this the sort of thing Presidents who are presented with Nobel Peace Prizes do?”
It isn't.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“What? Threaten to blow all existing arms control agreements , and build weapons no one in america has even developed yet, and move the strategic nuclear balance in favour of Russia?
He's not offering disarmament , and the US building up its nuclear forces leaves Russia, China, N Korea, israel, Pakistan. and India with all their existing stratgeic necessity to have nuclear weapons, plus a bigger US threat , or a threat from someone likely to react to the US increase by developing one. And Trump's unreliability with allies makes the French and British deterrents more essential, and the Noth Asian llaies going nuclear , more likely.
I don't think they give out nobel prices for making the world arm up with nuclear weapons, and becoming less stable. Obama got one , for not being Bush.
I think its interesting though, Trump still knows nothing, Trump is still thinking that things will be built - when he tells people to build them - not knowing that military programmes take far longer than tower blocks. He still thinks nuclear weapons are about being used, other than being deterrents to nuclear attacks, and to pose risks to potential conventional attackers. He's 71 years behind the nuclear strategy learning curve. And he's still seeing the world as a business competition- where you outspend and out buy, the competition , and they give up . Sadly Russia and China are not open to take over bids.”
“What? Threaten to blow all existing arms control agreements , and build weapons no one in america has even developed yet, and move the strategic nuclear balance in favour of Russia?
He's not offering disarmament , and the US building up its nuclear forces leaves Russia, China, N Korea, israel, Pakistan. and India with all their existing stratgeic necessity to have nuclear weapons, plus a bigger US threat , or a threat from someone likely to react to the US increase by developing one. And Trump's unreliability with allies makes the French and British deterrents more essential, and the Noth Asian llaies going nuclear , more likely.
I don't think they give out nobel prices for making the world arm up with nuclear weapons, and becoming less stable. Obama got one , for not being Bush.
I think its interesting though, Trump still knows nothing, Trump is still thinking that things will be built - when he tells people to build them - not knowing that military programmes take far longer than tower blocks. He still thinks nuclear weapons are about being used, other than being deterrents to nuclear attacks, and to pose risks to potential conventional attackers. He's 71 years behind the nuclear strategy learning curve. And he's still seeing the world as a business competition- where you outspend and out buy, the competition , and they give up . Sadly Russia and China are not open to take over bids.”
Obama got one. Then thought that's nice and promptly increased spending on nuclear armaments.
Originally Posted by oncemore:
“Yes, technically more individuals voted for her, so you can know that whatever he does, he didn't actually win the popular vote, nor does he have a mandate.
he just had more voters in the right places.”
“Yes, technically more individuals voted for her, so you can know that whatever he does, he didn't actually win the popular vote, nor does he have a mandate.
he just had more voters in the right places.”
Going by the only numbers that matter, (electoral college votes), he won by a very healthy margin, so yes he does have a mandate.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Obama got one. Then thought that's nice and promptly increased spending on nuclear armaments.”
“Obama got one. Then thought that's nice and promptly increased spending on nuclear armaments.”
Obama hasn't - yet. The current nuclear bomber force, except for the 20 B2s, ,all the land based missiles ,and tactical nuclear bombs were all developed and built in the 60s. The submarine force - that lasts less long, started being deployed in the 70s - and no one wants to try submerging in 45 year old submarines,. Obama's only just starting development of the new systems, that will start to replace the old stuff the US has now - when the old stiff is in its 60s
US defence budgets haven't increased much under Obama - because sequestration has blocked increases , and, much of what has been spent, has gone on Central Asian wars, starting to replace an overaged airforce, higher unit costs with lower procurement numbers, missile defence costs and bigger ground forces , until recently.there's also a mismatch between bases and need for so many - largely as Congress refuses to cutexcess bases in their districts
Trump is rabbiting on about doing what Obama already has in hand , and sending out the impression that he will do more in the nuclear field - when it would take 20 years, and be counter prodcutive.
Trumps also threatening the F35 - which is the only game in town for the Airforce and Marines, and most allies. Without that, the US can't operate in heavily defended airspace. So you have both extremes. Bluster about nukes - that means nothing , but could start a costly de-stabalising nuclear arms race. Plus bluster that threatens to destroy the US ability to fight anyone who buys enough Russian surface to air missiles. And he's not even in office yet.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Going by the only numbers that matter, (electoral college votes), he won by a very healthy margin, so yes he does have a mandate.”
“Going by the only numbers that matter, (electoral college votes), he won by a very healthy margin, so yes he does have a mandate.”
Oh it matters now, Donald Trump himself complained about the Electoral College when he mistakingly thought that Romney beat Obama in votes but lost the electoral college in 2012. But now that it benefits him it's the 'only numbers that matter'. okay.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Obama hasn't - yet. The current nuclear bomber force, except for the 20 B2s, ,all the land based missiles ,and tactical nuclear bombs were all developed and built in the 60s. The submarine force - that lasts less long, started being deployed in the 70s - and no one wants to try submerging in 45 year old submarines,. Obama's only just starting development of the new systems, that will start to replace the old stuff the US has now - when the old stiff is in its 60s
US defence budgets haven't increased much under Obama - because sequestration has blocked increases , and, much of what has been spent, has gone on Central Asian wars, starting to replace an overaged airforce, higher unit costs with lower procurement numbers, missile defence costs and bigger ground forces , until recently.there's also a mismatch between bases and need for so many - largely as Congress refuses to cutexcess bases in their districts
Trump is rabbiting on about doing what Obama already has in hand , and sending out the impression that he will do more in the nuclear field - when it would take 20 years, and be counter prodcutive.
Trumps also threatening the F35 - which is the only game in town for the Airforce and Marines, and most allies. Without that, the US can't operate in heavily defended airspace. So you have both extremes. Bluster about nukes - that means nothing , but could start a costly de-stabalising nuclear arms race. Plus bluster that threatens to destroy the US ability to fight anyone who buys enough Russian surface to air missiles. And he's not even in office yet.”
“Obama hasn't - yet. The current nuclear bomber force, except for the 20 B2s, ,all the land based missiles ,and tactical nuclear bombs were all developed and built in the 60s. The submarine force - that lasts less long, started being deployed in the 70s - and no one wants to try submerging in 45 year old submarines,. Obama's only just starting development of the new systems, that will start to replace the old stuff the US has now - when the old stiff is in its 60s
US defence budgets haven't increased much under Obama - because sequestration has blocked increases , and, much of what has been spent, has gone on Central Asian wars, starting to replace an overaged airforce, higher unit costs with lower procurement numbers, missile defence costs and bigger ground forces , until recently.there's also a mismatch between bases and need for so many - largely as Congress refuses to cutexcess bases in their districts
Trump is rabbiting on about doing what Obama already has in hand , and sending out the impression that he will do more in the nuclear field - when it would take 20 years, and be counter prodcutive.
Trumps also threatening the F35 - which is the only game in town for the Airforce and Marines, and most allies. Without that, the US can't operate in heavily defended airspace. So you have both extremes. Bluster about nukes - that means nothing , but could start a costly de-stabalising nuclear arms race. Plus bluster that threatens to destroy the US ability to fight anyone who buys enough Russian surface to air missiles. And he's not even in office yet.”
I really hope that us in Europe calm Donald Trump down.
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Trumpy does seem to like announcing stuff via twatter.”
“Trumpy does seem to like announcing stuff via twatter.”
The problem is that it comes from his orifice without any evidence it touched his brain, it's like a 5yr old has taken over the Conservative Central Command Random Policy Generator.
Originally Posted by oncemore:
“Oh it matters now, Donald Trump himself complained about the Electoral College when he mistakingly thought that Romney beat Obama in votes but lost the electoral college in 2012. But now that it benefits him it's the 'only numbers that matter'. okay.”
“Oh it matters now, Donald Trump himself complained about the Electoral College when he mistakingly thought that Romney beat Obama in votes but lost the electoral college in 2012. But now that it benefits him it's the 'only numbers that matter'. okay.”
No, the electoral college has for any President, been the only way they got into office, a President has never got into office on the back of the popular vote, so that is why the electoral college votes are the only numbers that matter, as that is what determines who will be President.
If you don't like it, then fair enough but until they change that system, then it will continue to be how they select their President.
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Trumpy does seem to like announcing stuff via twatter.”
“Trumpy does seem to like announcing stuff via twatter.”
Yes, I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible.
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“The problem is that it comes from his orifice without any evidence it touched his brain, it's like a 5yr old has taken over the Conservative Central Command Random Policy Generator.”
“The problem is that it comes from his orifice without any evidence it touched his brain, it's like a 5yr old has taken over the Conservative Central Command Random Policy Generator.”
Technically it is not coming from his office, as he is not using the official Presidential twitter handle/account, as he is not able to use it whilst Obama is still in office.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Yes, I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible. ”
“Yes, I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible. ”
Fine for wishing everyone Merry Xmas but hardly suited to an announcement on nuclear weapons.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible.”
“I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible.”
I think we've already noticed that you don't "technically" see anything wrong with whatever Trump says, or the manner in which he says it.
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Fine for wishing everyone Merry Xmas but hardly suited to an announcement on nuclear weapons.”
“Fine for wishing everyone Merry Xmas but hardly suited to an announcement on nuclear weapons.”
What is the difference really between putting out say a press release about something, and just posting it on Twitter?
This is just technology moving forward, and a President using said technology.
Originally Posted by njp:
“I think we've already noticed that you don't "technically" see anything wrong with whatever Trump says, or the manner in which he says it.”
“I think we've already noticed that you don't "technically" see anything wrong with whatever Trump says, or the manner in which he says it.”
Of course if Trump does or say anything wrong I will call him out on it, so far maybe apart from his call with Tiawann, he hasn't done much wrong has he?
Originally Posted by njp:
“I think we've already noticed that you don't "technically" see anything wrong with whatever Trump says, or the manner in which he says it.”
“I think we've already noticed that you don't "technically" see anything wrong with whatever Trump says, or the manner in which he says it.”
you got to remember tho Trump once appeared at Wrestlemania so that will make him the bestest president in the world ever
In a word "yikes"
Its been said, those who want power should never be in pwer.
The guy is a whizz at not paying tax and turning the fortune he got given into a larger fortune , but all he is doing right now is playing into Putins hands.
Dark times are coming.
*goes off to make his the end is neigh sign*
Its been said, those who want power should never be in pwer.
The guy is a whizz at not paying tax and turning the fortune he got given into a larger fortune , but all he is doing right now is playing into Putins hands.
Dark times are coming.
*goes off to make his the end is neigh sign*
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“you got to remember tho Trump once appeared at Wrestlemania so that will make him the bestest president in the world ever”
“you got to remember tho Trump once appeared at Wrestlemania so that will make him the bestest president in the world ever
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His appearances on Raw, and Wrestlemania have zero to do with my view of him as President.
Did I enjoy him on them, yes, but this is a totally different environment, for quite obvious reasons.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“No, the electoral college has for any President, been the only way they got into office, a President has never got into office on the back of the popular vote, so that is why the electoral college votes are the only numbers that matter, as that is what determines who will be President.
If you don't like it, then fair enough but until they change that system, then it will continue to be how they select their President.
Yes, I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible.
Technically it is not coming from his office, as he is not using the official Presidential twitter handle/account, as he is not able to use it whilst Obama is still in office.”
“No, the electoral college has for any President, been the only way they got into office, a President has never got into office on the back of the popular vote, so that is why the electoral college votes are the only numbers that matter, as that is what determines who will be President.
If you don't like it, then fair enough but until they change that system, then it will continue to be how they select their President.
Yes, I don't see technically what is so wring with that, as it is a great and speedy method of getting his message out to as many people as possible.
Technically it is not coming from his office, as he is not using the official Presidential twitter handle/account, as he is not able to use it whilst Obama is still in office.”
Orifice.
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