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It was free in 2005.
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It was free in 2005.
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No it wasn't. Just someone else (I.e. you and me) paid the bill. Lecturers don't work for nothing and Universities are expensive places to run.
As you say, if the staff bill goes up, and the demand for places, teaching and halls of residence goes up , so must the fees. Only Corbyn thinks he can just print another 10 billion and forget them. If Overseas student numbers fall and don't subsidise UK students as much, the fees will rise more still . |
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I honestly don't see why people bother going to University nowadays. Unless they are doing a STEM course at an RG institution, it's simply not worth the money. Labour's hare-brained scheme of 50% going to "uni" has been an unmitigated disaster.
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No it wasn't. Just someone else (I.e. you and me) paid the bill. Lecturers don't work for nothing and Universities are expensive places to run.
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Neil Gorman, vice-chancellor of Nottingham Trent University, listed as being paid £623,000 including a bonus of £250,000; and Malcolm Gillies, the former vice-chancellor of London Metropolitan University, who earned £618,000, including £159,000 upon leaving.
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...out-of-controlMaybe fees wouldn't have to be so expensive, if they weren't having to fork out a ton of money each year, just for these title holders. |
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I honestly don't see why people bother going to University nowadays. Unless they are doing a STEM course at an RG institution, it's simply not worth the money. Labour's hare-brained scheme of 50% going to "uni" has been an unmitigated disaster.
If I look at the graduates we employ very few, if any, come from outside of the top 10-20 UK Universities in the league tables. That may not be fair but when you have a lot of applicants from good courses in the UK and Europe you don't need to go down to the "Universities" of Bedfordshire and Northampton. |
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Honestly, if it was up to me, I'd close down about 3/4 of the universities, or convert them back into Polytechnics or the modern day equivalent. Keep the RG, maybe the best few of the others, and make everything else vocational.
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Some of the expenses should be cut down, like the massive salaries of the people at the top, who barely do anything. Some of them are paid over £600,000 with perks too. It's crazy to have to house some of them too, with a mansion on university sites. Also what about the expensive parties and dinners?
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...out-of-control Maybe fees wouldn't have to be so expensive, if they weren't having to fork out a ton of money each year, just for these title holders. In fact, it sounds unbelievable. |
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Tuition fees started in 1998-99 at £1,000/year, were means tested, and paid up-front usually via a student loan.
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Tuition fees started in 1998-99 at £1,000/year, were means tested, and paid up-front usually via a student loan.
Now, at least those who want to study will need to pay a graduate tax for that. |
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This will have a big impact on my Soaps degree.
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Yet more burden on the young from this discusting government. Education should be free, as it benefits all of society. All you should pay for is accommodation and living expenses.
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Its disgusting especially removing bursaries for nurses when student nurses work 40 hours a week in hopsitals as part of the NHS workforce.
18 to 25's need to start voting or it will neve change. |
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Honestly, if it was up to me, I'd close down about 3/4 of the universities, or convert them back into Polytechnics or the modern day equivalent. Keep the RG, maybe the best few of the others, and make everything else vocational.
What's the point of uni doing some obscure course if at the end of it they are flipping burgers at McDonald's because they wasted tax payers money on partying!? There's more important things to spend money on that give proven results.. A degree doesn't guarantee you a job anymore. |
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It's basically about the transfer of people assets to the private sector.
I mean, selling homes and raiding pension funds etc etc. to fund such things as education and care. When I look at the 40% poll rating for the Conservatives, propped up by home-owning middle-class folk with children and elderly parents, I wonder why they don't object. |
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I honestly don't see why people bother going to University nowadays. Unless they are doing a STEM course at an RG institution, it's simply not worth the money. Labour's hare-brained scheme of 50% going to "uni" has been an unmitigated disaster.
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It's basically about the transfer of people assets to the private sector.
I mean, selling homes and raiding pension funds etc etc. to fund such things as education and care. When I look at the 40% poll rating for the Conservatives, propped up by home-owning middle-class folk with children and elderly parents, I wonder why they don't object. And behind that there's two , less obvious issues. You can't sustain demands for health care and social care growing at 4% a year in any economy thats only growing at 1-2% a year. The infirm ederly will eat the whole economy eventually. The demand either can't be met, or it will take private capital or spending , being diverted, to do it. And you now can't raise taxes on the better off, or business - to channel money into the unproductive areas like health and care. Taxing business just drives down growth and employment and the tax take - at no time more than when you need to incentivise any large business to still stay here - post brexit. . And taxing the better paid just isn't possible when the recent increase in the work force has come in specilaised services - that depends on those better paid workers for their jobs. You would just destroy many of the new niche service jobs, and still have to import more immigrants to do the poorly paid care jobs, no one here wants to do, or lives in the right areas to do.. |
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Tuition fees started in 1998-99 at £1,000/year, were means tested, and paid up-front usually via a student loan.
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Thanks to Blair and his daft idea to have too many people at University
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I'm amazed it hasn't been blamed on Brexit.
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I'm amazed it hasn't been blamed on Brexit.
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It is a factor. Applications from overseas (especially EU) students looking as if they will be down so Universities will have to make up their income from somewhere.
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It is a factor. Applications from overseas (especially EU) students looking as if they will be down so Universities will have to make up their income from somewhere.
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...eu-down-9-ucas Of course it all depends on the way the anti-immigrant mood of the Brexit vote pans out and whether this government or its successors remains supportive of allowing them in in the first place and more importantly absorb them and their skills into the workforce after they graduate. |
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Makes you wonder why a university, which is just a business, would be paying people £600k with perks, who barely do anything.
In fact, it sounds unbelievable. |
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