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Maxatoria
24-12-2016
We've got qualification inflation where now we need about 10 gcse's for someone to open a till and take your money.

Most places just keep upping the requirements to make it easier for the HR dept to trim down the applications...unless you have a BSC in physics you are not capable of being able to hit a nail on the head etc.

Most if not all I did at uni is either forgotten or as much use as a chocolate teapot to someone who is allergic to chocolate unless theres many people recruiting Motorola 68000 assembly people with knowledge of COBOL and ADA etc.

And in IT circles a few years can be a lifetime if you don't keep up with the fashion.
platelet
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“On a serious note though, I do think that the system ought perhaps to be looked at so that it is broadly progressive and consistent. For example, I don't like the way that Osborne froze the initial income payback level so that it did not rise with inflation and I certainly don't like his axing of support grants for students from poor backgrounds.”

Yeah Osborne moving the goal posts after people had taken the loans with the expectation that it would rise with inflation was not on. No way a private institution would get away with that kind of change to T&Cs

That said I think inflation is the wrong measure. For future contracts I'd simply tie it to the average salary. Once you start earning above the national average - then you start paying back.

Support grants I'm not so sure of. What necessitates the money has to come as a gift rather than a loan? If you come from the poorest background but end up on £40,000 a year should you not be responsible for paying back what it cost to get you there?

If it's just the argument that those from the poorest backgrounds are less likely to want to take on the debt and have it hang over them - I kind of think maybe we should be encouraging that attitude in those from the wealthier backgrounds as well.

Bit of personal bias there of course given I came from a poor background and decided against the uni route but I've never liked the focus on pushing so many kids straight into university as if it's the only route to success
LostFool
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“On a serious note though, I do think that the system ought perhaps to be looked at so that it is broadly progressive and consistent. For example, I don't like the way that Osborne froze the initial income payback level so that it did not rise with inflation and I certainly don't like his axing of support grants for students from poor backgrounds.”

Personally, I think parental income should be taken out of the equation when it comes to student finance. 18 year olds are adults in every other aspect of life. You aren't asked how much your parents earn when you get your first job, rent a flat or take out a car loan.
DMN1968
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by Maxatoria:
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Most if not all I did at uni is either forgotten or as much use as a chocolate teapot to someone who is allergic to chocolate unless theres many people recruiting Motorola 68000 assembly people with knowledge of COBOL and ADA etc.

And in IT circles a few years can be a lifetime if you don't keep up with the fashion.”

We have a big problem finding decent Ada developers in the Aerospace industry - there is a lot of legacy code that needs upgrading as well as a number of new projects that rely heavily on safety critical code.

But agree that you must keep up with current progress, especially in any technology type area. However the technical skills learned with the degree - e.g. 68000 will provide essential building blocks for the new skills that warrant such a degree in the first place.
Morlock
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Create a pathway for more volunteering chances for people who ain't the best academically, but are willing to learn and improve. Use the money instead to make it financially viable for employee's to do this scheme.”

In your idealistic scenario of everyone working for free, how do all of those volunteers pay for housing and bills?
Morlock
25-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“The current system of student finance is very generous as long as you know how to play the loopholes. If you are in your 50s or 60s (or even older) then you can get your tuition fees as a mature student without any chance that you will ever have to repay them. Move abroad on graduation and they'll never catch you. If you are a woman, meet someone who you have babies with and never work then you won't have to pay a penny.”

Wow, what a land of educational opportunity the UK is.
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