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Old 22-12-2016, 18:03
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This is a new documentary made recently by CBS in America and shown over 2 nights at 9pm on More 4, tonight and tomorrow. May be interesting. Experts try to solve the case once and for all, 20 years after she died aged 6.
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:07
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I doubt they will ever find out what really happened , the police messed up everything in the beginning when they didnt search the house properly before leaving , only to come back to a house full of people and the Mother holding Jonbenet after moving the body.

I guess its one of two things , the family did it or someone broke in through the grate in the basement where the body was found , ive seen loads of documentaries where there are cases for either
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:11
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Has there ever been more inconclusive and speculative TV airtime spent on a single murder case as Jonbenet's ?

I'll end up watching it, but, I guarantee, it will come up with nothing new.

It shows how unscientific the study of handwriting can be when dozens of "experts" can't agree on who wrote the ransom note, Mum ? Dad ? or both ? or an intruder ?

It's the key to the case, but no-one can ID the author of the longest, rambling, incoherent, ransom note in criminal history.

I agree about the botched crime scene, but to be fair, it was a missing person first, THEN it became a murder.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:43
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Quite interesting so far. I'm sure there won't be any revelations but it's interesting seeing the voice and letter analysis.

The dispatcher who answered the 911 call was complaining that she wasn't called as a witness, but I don't see why she would have been. The tape records the facts of the call. Anything else (like her stating the call "seemed" strange) is just her opinion.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:47
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Quite interesting so far. I'm sure there won't be any revelations but it's interesting seeing the voice and letter analysis.

The dispatcher who answered the 911 call was complaining that she wasn't called as a witness, but I don't see why she would have been. The tape records the facts of the call. Anything else (like her stating the call "seemed" strange) is just her opinion.
Agreed, she also would say that elements of the call seemed strange ,....... in hindsight.
Her opinion is of no import really.

The enhanced 6 seconds of the 911 call ? sorry I didn't make out any human speech at all .
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:56
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The enhanced 6 seconds of the 911 call ? sorry I didn't make out any human speech at all .
Indeed. With 'conversation' that indistinct, the listener can basically "hear"whatever phrase they want to hear.
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Old 22-12-2016, 22:06
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This is a terrible thing to say, given this is about the murder of a real child, but all the programme is making me think about is why murder mysteries are so popular - they can manipulate the ending to make it complete. This obviously isn't going to tell us anything new or we would know from when it was on in the US.
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Old 22-12-2016, 22:37
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The flashlight evidence is interesting, I've got one like it in the car for emergencies, and it's a formidable blunt instrument, bloody heavy.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:04
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I didn't know that Patsy had studied journalism.
Did make me wonder about the ransom note which the police found and other screwed up pieces of paper which were written before the main one which was left. The ransom note was very dramatic almost like someone had written a crime story. They said in this documentary that some words had been taken from a film but I didn't pick up which film it was?
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:20
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Seems like they're going to come to the conclusion that one of the family did it, probably the boy, who was 9 then so will be 29 now.
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Old 23-12-2016, 00:17
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:10
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Agreed, she also would say that elements of the call seemed strange ,....... in hindsight.
Her opinion is of no import really.

The enhanced 6 seconds of the 911 call ? sorry I didn't make out any human speech at all .
Her views would have been very important if the police had done a proper job at the time.

If she has certain instincts that something strange was happening when the caller went silent, then it may help the police to look in a certain direction. A statement from her at the time may have triggered something in a police officer that could help the investigation.

At worst, interviewing her would do no harm. But it took 120 days to interview the parents, so there was no chance that she would be interviewed. It's actually very shocking, and stinks of corruption.

The fact that the whole community could be silenced so effectively is unbelievable. Even today they remain silent.

The voices in the enhanced 911 call were loud and clear, and it's shocking that those voices weren't picked up 20 years ago. Technology would not have been limited in this area.

If they had interviewed the 911 call taker 20 years ago, they would have been alerted that there were probably/certainly other peoples voices in the background, and then they could have enhanced the recording properly, knowing there was something there.

I have never heard of this case before, and found the documentary very interesting.
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:13
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They said in this documentary that some words had been taken from a film but I didn't pick up which film it was?
Dirty Harry and Speed.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:35
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I found the documentary fascinating despite falling asleep for the last half an hour! (Did I miss anything, it was the forensic guy talking and I was pondering his age and the fact he had an upper cut... trendy)

The ransom note is such a curious thing... pages long and written on site, it does lead me to think that the family are involved and I will be interested to see what Part 2 brings tonight, although that will be watched on catchup next week!
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:54
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But it took 120 days to interview the parents, so there was no chance that she would be interviewed. It's actually very shocking, and stinks of corruption.



I have never heard of this case before, and found the documentary very interesting.
Surprised you'd not heard of it as it's a very famous case.

Does anyone know why it took them months to interview the parents? In any murder the people actually in the house are prime suspects so they should have been interviewed down at the cop shop that day or next day. Sheer incompetance on the police's part.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:58
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I found the documentary fascinating despite falling asleep for the last half an hour! (Did I miss anything, it was the forensic guy talking and I was pondering his age and the fact he had an upper cut... trendy)
They were discussing why there wasn't a drop of blood at the scene and he said it's because the hammer isn't sharp so would break bone but not skin as it would just stretch like elastic and go back to normal. Then they got a boy aged "about 9 or 10" to hit a model of a head covered with pig skin! That tells me they're thinking of the son! The forensic guy was asked if a child could have dealt the killer blow and he said "it could have been a man, woman or child"
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:07
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There have been a few documentaries and articles about this case over the years which have led me to conclude that the brother must have killed his sister (even adults don't realise that it only takes one bang on the head to kill someone!) and the parents covered it up. In this documentary they haven't mentioned that there were NO footprints in the snow around the house and nobody has mentioned the time of death. The police didn't have control of much (and THAT needs to be addressed) but they did have a corpse to autopsy so surely somebody could hazard a guess at the time of death? The phone call was at 5.50-ish and the "ransom note" (who wrote THAT?) took 25 minutes to write (and there had been previous drafts, found at the scene) so we must be talking hours between death and contacting the police. The torch which they are taking to be the weapon seems an odd thing to be sitting on a kitchen counter. Many homes have torches, but they are usually kept somewhere specific, not left on a kitchen work surface. Why had the family been using a torch that evening?

I'm guessing that many people knew or suspected that the brother was responsible but since the parents would not want to pursue this line of enquiry and were not willing (or obliged, apparently) to cooperate in any way everything was let slide. It will be interesting to find out what the father and son are doing nowadays. The brother is, apparently, trying to sue the forensic pathologist and the documentary-makers for $100,000,000 for pointing the finger at him.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:12
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I'm guessing that many people knew or suspected that the brother was responsible but since the parents would not want to pursue this line of enquiry and were not willing (or obliged, apparently) to cooperated in any way everything was let slide. It will be interesting to find out what the father and son are doing nowadays.
Was reading that the son appeared on a US talk show a few weeks ago saying that he and his parents weren't involved in any way. Well of course he's going to say that!
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:15
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/179578...day-of-murder/

This was an interview Burke did with Dr Phil . I was surprised how their close freinds turned on them .
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:56
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/179578...day-of-murder/

This was an interview Burke did with Dr Phil . I was surprised how their close freinds turned on them .
I think the son is suing the program broadcasters for implicating him in the crime.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:45
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They haven't mentioned the older half brother yet.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:48
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If Burke did cause her death (either accidentally or deliberately) and the family had been honest from the start, he would have already served his time in juvenile detention and be a free man now, the case would be closed and justice would have been served for JonBenet.

I can understand the instinct of parents to protect their child if he/she accidentally causes the death of a sibling, however to stage such an elaborate lie and maintain it for a lifetime was a huge gamble. Thanks to the inadequate investigation at the time and, it seems, their own influence with the authorities, they have been able to get away with it.

However, Burke and his father will always live under the shadow of suspicion and there must be times when they wonder if that is really a better life than being honest from the start and serving time.

Burke has no choice but to support the 'story' created by his parents (at least, while his father is still alive). I wonder if, after his father dies, he may be tempted one day to reveal the truth about what happened.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:25
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If Burke did cause her death (either accidentally or deliberately) and the family had been honest from the start, he would have already served his time in juvenile detention and be a free man now, the case would be closed and justice would have been served for JonBenet.
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I read somewhere that no action could have been taken anyway as he was under the age for criminal liability.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:48
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So, Burke accidentally kills Jonbenet, the kidnapping ruse is thought up, the ransom note written, so far so good, why dial 911 with the body still in the house ?
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:41
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So, Burke accidentally kills Jonbenet, the kidnapping ruse is thought up, the ransom note written, so far so good, why dial 911 with the body still in the house ?
I suppose disposing of a body would have required leaving the house and the high risk of being seen, as well as taking up vital hours. They had to report her missing quite soon.
Being Christmas time, her absence would soon become apparent to family and friends.
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