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Old 23-12-2016, 14:10
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I thought she survived and became Katy Perry...? That's one of the best little conspiracy theories I've heard.
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Old 23-12-2016, 15:25
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What hasn't been addressed by the investigators yet is why she had marks on her neck consistent with her nails desperately trying to loosen the ligature around her neck. I'm sure I heard the investigators saying she was already dead by the blow to the head and the ligature was a staged effort after she had died.

I've never had a case where I can swing one way and then the other so much. One thing is clear, the family know something more about this, or someone, that did this.
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Old 23-12-2016, 23:49
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The similarities with the McCann case are chilling
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Old 24-12-2016, 00:04
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The similarities with the McCann case are chilling
Iwas thinking the same too. Only difference they found Jonbenet's body and not Maddy's
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Old 24-12-2016, 08:47
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The underwear DNA transfer test they did was interesting where they bought new packaged ones and they had DNA on them! Proves the DNA found on hers that wasn't from either male in the house could have come from the manufacturing or packing process but then wouldn't that only be if they were new? Wonder if washing removes DNA.

One book I read about this case once alleged a kidnapper killed her as she struggled whilst they were trying to take her yet even the cops seemed to think there was no child kidnapper/killer at large.
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Old 24-12-2016, 10:55
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I've seen earlier programmes on this case and also suspected the brother. Always thought fear of a similar explanation was the reason the family in the case of the English nanny a few years ago went after her so determinedly.
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Old 24-12-2016, 13:38
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I read somewhere that no action could have been taken anyway as he was under the age for criminal liability.
Exactly.

But then the only motive for a cover up by the parents would be to avoid scandal, which clearly didn't work and almost got them sent to prison.

Unless they feared losing custody of him if he was believed responsible.
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Old 24-12-2016, 14:24
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I retract my previous post.
A thought provoking, well put together if overlong prog.

The stuff about the cobweb on the basement window was interesting, the sexual angle was dismissed, with no evidence that she, as was alleged, was being routinely abused by a family member and a believable theory put forward, Burke has always been in the shadows.

On an unrelated and sexist subject the female investigator was rather easy on the eye .
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Old 24-12-2016, 15:04
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I watched a program recently on this case and the finger was pointed toward Burke or the mum. Burke for all the reasons shown above, but the mum was in the frame thanks to the wetting of the bed and poo everywhere. They thought mum lashed out in anger and accidentally killed her.
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:04
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A thought provoking, well put together if overlong prog.

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It was edited by E4 in order to fit in to two evenings this week but was actually 6 hours long when shown in the US!
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:06
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Exactly.

But then the only motive for a cover up by the parents would be to avoid scandal, which clearly didn't work and almost got them sent to prison.

Unless they feared losing custody of him if he was believed responsible.
They were rich and well respected and maybe they didn't want the scandal of their son having killed their daughter. Even if he confessed now no action could be taken against him but the father could be charged with helping to cover up a crime.
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:08
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The similarities with the McCann case are chilling
How so? This child was a different age, different family set up, no suggestion parents were out at any time, body present before any outsiders arrived. Nothing the same other than we don't know what happened.

I was intrigued by something I read elsewhere, that Burke is now suing Dr Spitz (the 90 year old guy who said he did it in the film) for libel. If American law is the same as ours, something can only be libel if it is false - so how will that work as a trial?
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Old 24-12-2016, 17:13
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I was intrigued by something I read elsewhere, that Burke is now suing Dr Spitz (the 90 year old guy who said he did it in the film) for libel. If American law is the same as ours, something can only be libel if it is false - so how will that work as a trial?
I've read that too. He has to prove the accusation is false to win the libel case and will apparently use the police statement about foreign DNA which exonerated the family members. Should be interesting.
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Old 24-12-2016, 18:05
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Suing for Libel?

it can backfire really badly , just ask Oscar Wilde and Gillian Taylforth....oooops.
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Old 26-12-2016, 10:41
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After reading this thread, I decided to google and read a bit more about it, and found a couple of answers here

Does anyone know why it took them months to interview the parents?
"Boulder detectives interviewed both John and Patsy Ramsey on Dec. 26, Dec. 27, and Dec. 28, 1996, and thereafter, according to U.S. District Court judge Julie Carnes, who dismissed two federal defamation cases against the Ramseys. Carnes noted that within days after the murder and in the months that followed, the Ramseys also provided police with handwriting samples and supervised written exemplars. Defendants also gave hair, including pubic hair, and DNA samples to police."

But it took 120 days to interview the parents
See above

In this documentary they haven't mentioned that there were NO footprints in the snow around the house and nobody has mentioned the time of death.
"Photographs taken the day JonBenét’s body was found show someone could have easily walked on dry concrete to basement windows without stepping in snow, former Ramsey case consultant Lou Smit said."
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Old 26-12-2016, 11:28
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This is an interesting article on the matter, looking into possible reasons for the mass interest in the story overall.

It's a long piece, so have your tea / coffee at the ready
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:07
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Caught up on this last night and I have to agree with the experts about who the murderer is likely to be, and that it was a cover up by the parents. Unfortunately it's all circumstantial but there appear to be a lot of inconsistencies and it's pretty astounding that the police didn't pick up on so many of them. It's a great shame that poor little JonBenet has not received justice and may never.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:34
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I was intrigued by something I read elsewhere, that Burke is now suing Dr Spitz (the 90 year old guy who said he did it in the film) for libel. If American law is the same as ours, something can only be libel if it is false - so how will that work as a trial?
To say that someone murdered or killed their sister is clearly defamatory, so Dr Spitz will have the defence (or defense as our American cousins would write) of justification if he could show what he said was true. The burden will be on the defendant to prove the truth of the allegation and will not be an easy one to discharge.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:12
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This is an interesting article on the matter, looking into possible reasons for the mass interest in the story overall.

It's a long piece, so have your tea / coffee at the ready
A lot of interest was because of her being a six year old beauty queen yet it probably had no direct relevance to her murder.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:50
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While the accidental death and cover-up within the 3 family members looks good as the most likely solution one thing still troubles me.

The awful post mortem photographs of the garotte and how deep it digs into her little neck, it's REALLY unecessarily tight if it's just a set-up, what mother or father would do that, desecrate their dead child to protect the other child.

Is there a chapter on that in the parenting handbook ?
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:36
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Caught up on this last night and I have to agree with the experts about who the murderer is likely to be, and that it was a cover up by the parents. Unfortunately it's all circumstantial but there appear to be a lot of inconsistencies and it's pretty astounding that the police didn't pick up on so many of them. It's a great shame that poor little JonBenet has not received justice and may never.
Doubt this famous or rather, infamous, case will ever be solved unless someone confesses which seems unlikely now.
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:42
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While the accidental death and cover-up within the 3 family members looks good as the most likely solution one thing still troubles me.

The awful post mortem photographs of the garotte and how deep it digs into her little neck, it's REALLY unecessarily tight if it's just a set-up, what mother or father would do that, desecrate their dead child to protect the other child.

Is there a chapter on that in the parenting handbook ?
I thought exactly the same thing. I can understand parents protecting the son but to treat her body like that is unthinkable.
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Old 28-12-2016, 18:42
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To say that someone murdered or killed their sister is clearly defamatory, so Dr Spitz will have the defence (or defense as our American cousins would write) of justification if he could show what he said was true. The burden will be on the defendant to prove the truth of the allegation and will not be an easy one to discharge.
Thanks - well that is going to be big news if it goes ahead, and make a lot of money for the lawyers.
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Old 28-12-2016, 23:22
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I may be odd here BUT when the father found the body in the basement he carried her up and put her on the floor, as a mum i would have put her on the settee and made her comfortable. Daft, i know but it,s what i would have done.

It was Burke that had been smearing faeces for some time around the house.

The dispatch caller would have been a good witness as she rightly said Patsy was hysterical during the phone call, as any parent would have been, then, as soon as Patsy thought the call was ended she stopped the hysterics immediately, most odd.

Seemed an awful lot of police officers who resigned because they weren,t allowed to do their job properly.

Seemed a bit of a leap to say the murder weapon was the torch.

I,m no expert in language or handwriting but to me the ransom note didn,t seem written by a woman as it contained very graphic descriptions of killing, but maybe it was written by patsy trying to sound more male.

Just my take on a few things.
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Old 29-12-2016, 08:26
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Burke Ramsey is suing CBS for $750 million.
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