Did I say otherwise? Acting on a closed set shirtless is quite different to dancing in front of 400 people in the audience and 11m viewers with no top on, isn't it?

I don't even understand the concept of applying the word "fake to people.. Fake teeth maybe, fake boobs even, fake hair extensions. I suppose it's used as the opposite of "genuine", but how does anyone know that unless they really know the person and let's face it, none of us really know what any of these celebrities are like. All of them came across as nice people. I know Ore's tears have been described as fake, but unless you know him irl you cannot say that. I'm afraid it's all coming across as sour grapes.

Apparently she choreographed the dances too.

I wouldn't have thought that involved much choreography and less dance training. It was just a bit of strutting around the stage , some wiggling and a basic lift or two.

Insincere maybe . ? I think most of us are able to read facial expressions and body language quite well actually .Even babies and toddlers can read expressions and a toddler will pick up on a cross face or an insincere smile quite quickly .
Personally I think Ore used his " presenting " face and language a lot .He is used to speaking through the screen to people and presenting and it came across to me anyway as if he was constantly presenting and fronting a TV programme .He gave an air of " a put " on smile and pre rehearsed expressions and body language


He may well be a lovely man , I dont know him but he came across as not natural and a tad forced IMO

He really didn't. Claude went on about it to make her look funny and good. The same as she kept asking AJ if his mum knew he was out so late or if he'd done his homework.

Brucie went on on and on about Kevin from Grimsby.

Unfortunately if the presenters say it often enough then it's supposed to be either true or funny.

Richard Marcel (the guy who oversees the Pro Challenge on ITT) did most of the choreography for LDFCR. If Arlene did anything she's not got it listed on her CV (although who could blame her for leaving it off)

A couple of weeks worth at an hour or so a time possibly.

No matter which way you cut It, this is dancing in front of an audience. Not as claimed never danced before.

Not if we're talking about modesty, really. If someone's claiming to be really careful and particular about the contexts in which people see them even with a shirt button undone it shouldn't be quite so easy to find pictures of them dick-bulging in nothing but CKs.

Well, in that case it must apply to them all. A selection of TV presenters, actors and a politician, they are all used to playing to cameras except perhaps Claudia and Greg.

Now there I have to disagree. I am reminded of James Martin when presenting Saturday Kitchen. He didn't just cook, he interacted with the viewers with his cheeky grin, or raised eyebrows to camera.

Ore has that same - as you say - 'presenting face', and when used in the right context, it enhances the dance. Think of his Sinatra dance, that 'in your face' look when he withdrew his Ace playing card. It was that sort of drawing in his audience personality that endeared him to me.

Now he may not have the technical dance expertise of others, but by golly, he knows how to sell a dance - and himself, for that matter, and there's nowt wrong with that.

Love your turn of phrase

OMGAHAHAHAHHAHHA I will never forget that phrase!

The thing is its subjective . Some enjoy that kind of presentation some dont . . I don't particularly but understand that some do. . In a dance I can except it but I was more talking about at interviews and ITT chats and judges interaction .
His " presentation " face was for me always there and looked contrived

No , in my opinion some are very capable of being there own natural self when not presenting or acting
Maybe Ore just couldn't revert when in interviews ?

I just thought he came across as being fake from the way he posed. I always do wonder why celebs have to keep going on about how much they love their man\woman, he had to keep saying that his wife was the love of his life and referring to his wife's friendship with Jo. I think he is the male version of the narcissistic Carole Vordeman: p. Altho he has admitted that since they got married they have hardly spent any time together because of his work and Strictly. I personally think there are three people in this marriage, him, his wife and his ego. IMO his wife must be a very secure, confident woman to be married to such a conceited man.

Here's a wild, crazy and wacky idea - maybe it had nothing to do with fans of any persuasion Maybe his actual employers and people responsible for his image had a word? It may be that there is some sort of social media policy (I know there is where I am) that has guidelines about what is acceptable/not acceptable to post?

I don't think I've seen another breakfast presenter pouting in their skimpies, but in the case of Mike Bushnell or Charlie Stayt I think my brain would have refused to acknowledge it anyway.

Maybe Ore isn't use to being interviewed as he's normally the one who is the Interviewer.

Wow...disparaging his marriage and relationship is pretty mean-spirited and cruel, even on the basis of what we've seen this year from some.

my wife says he has 'got it'

and he's certainly flaunting it

As you say, that's your opinion. Unless we know them in real life we are none of us qualified to say whether they are being natural or not. Actors are probably more proficient in adapting their body language and expression to suit a role than presenters. That's what they are trained to do.

Let's face it, there is never going to be agreement in this thread on who is being themselves because none of us know them. All we know is what they choose to show to the public.

This is actually quite a common trait of actors.

I've always thought he was rather dishy personally

IMO theres been a bit of damage limitation

think of the persona that has been presented to us
a clean cut ex kids and sports presenter, humble, a person who tries his best, someone who has never done something in the past has his ups and downs but turns out to be the best, loves his wife and family and is not scared to show his emotions

just the right person for family friendly TV (note the This Morning presenting)
posing half naked is not the kind of thing Phil & Holly do or any family friendly presenters

Dan Walker's done it.

Erm...so I'm told.