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Old 22-12-2016, 18:46
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
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Old 22-12-2016, 18:59
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
The bank holidays have always been part of my total annual leave, so you need to take those on the actual bank holiday days...
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:08
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
Most companies will calculate holiday entitlement to include public holidays of which Christmas is one of them. You will find there are wide variations in retail however where it is expected that the majority of staff will work on public holidays excepting Christmas of course where 99% are closed. When I owned retail stores we would always assign holiday entitlement as 4 weeks and in addition would add Christams day, Boxing day, New years Day and also the 2nd of January in our Scottish stores.
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:12
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
No, the employer can choose when you take your holiday unless your contract says otherwise, however you cannot be forced to take less than the minimum holiday allowance of 28 days (inc bank holidays) if you work 5 days a week.
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Old 22-12-2016, 19:15
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
Annual leave is now a minimum of 28 days...that includes the 8 bank holidays.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:06
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
It might depend upon whether your workplace is actually open and functioning on Christmas Day and NY Day. If the place is closed and no business being conducted there, I reckon they probably can insist that you take the day as annual leave.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:34
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https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/wo...bank-holidays/

It’s up to your employer to decide whether or not you have to work on bank holidays.

If your place of work is closed on bank holidays, your employer can make you take them as part of your annual leave entitlement.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:37
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What would the alternative be? Letting people to go to work on Xmas day in businesses when there is literally nothing to do on that day?
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:38
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What would the alternative be? Letting people to go to work on Xmas day in businesses when there is literally nothing to do on that day?
paying me any way as a public holiday
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:44
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They can take all bank holidays including Christmas Day out of annual leave if that is what your contract says, that's why I dislike anyone suggesting more bank holidays they don't seem to understand it takes away from many peoples holidays.
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Old 22-12-2016, 21:45
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My partner has to take the public holidays as annual leave as the shop she works in doesn't open on Bank Holidays.

In my job I get 29 days leave PLUS the bank holidays
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:02
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In most jobs bank holidays are separate to annual leave entitlement.

In our place the building closes, so you couldn't come to work even if you wanted to.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:09
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Annual leave is now a minimum of 28 days...that includes the 8 bank holidays.
That's a fact.

Most public sector workers get 31 days+ plus the 8 bank holiday apart from the teachers who get and 28 days on top of that
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:12
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They can take all bank holidays including Christmas Day out of annual leave if that is what your contract says, that's why I dislike anyone suggesting more bank holidays they don't seem to understand it takes away from many peoples holidays.
In what way...if it went to 9 bank holidays, then you would find the minimum annual leave would be increased to 29 days.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:38
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That's a fact.

Most public sector workers get 31 days+ plus the 8 bank holiday apart from the teachers who get and 28 days on top of that
In the NHS annual leave entitlement is dependent on length of service, calculated on a pro-rata basis for part time staff.

On appointment 27 + 8 bank holidays

After 5 years 29 + 8 bank holidays

After 10 years 33 + 8 bank holidays

If you are working on a bank holiday, as many NHS staff do, the annual leave is taken another day.



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Old 23-12-2016, 08:56
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In most jobs bank holidays are separate to annual leave entitlement.

In our place the building closes, so you couldn't come to work even if you wanted to.
I've never had a job where bank holidays were separate to annual leave.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:26
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In what way...if it went to 9 bank holidays, then you would find the minimum annual leave would be increased to 29 days.
No it wouldn't. It is 28 days which can include the Bank Holidays so if an extra Bank Holiday was added you would still only get 28 days off. That is why it annoyed me when David Cameron was going on about having an extra day off when we had the royal wedding Bank Holiday. Er no many of us had yet another day taken out of our holiday entitlement.
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Old 23-12-2016, 09:32
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Is it against the law to be forced to take xmas and new year as part of you're annual leave or not get paid for....?|
no. employers can state the days employees are required to take holidays

btw, contrary to what some are posting, statutory holiday entitlement in the uk is 5.6 weeks per year pro rata, not 28 days. if someone is contracted to work 5 days a week then the minimum number of days would be 28 pro rata, but someone who only works 4 days or less is not entitled to 28 days for example

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitleme...ts/entitlement

there's no statutory right to have bank holidays, public holidays, weekends or any other specific day off
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:02
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No it wouldn't. It is 28 days which can include the Bank Holidays so if an extra Bank Holiday was added you would still only get 28 days off. That is why it annoyed me when David Cameron was going on about having an extra day off when we had the royal wedding Bank Holiday. Er no many of us had yet another day taken out of our holiday entitlement.
It just comes down to company policy. In my last job I had 25 day + public holidays so an extra Bank Holiday meant an extra day off. Now I have 28 days including public holidays so I would lose what the Americans call a vacation day. On the other hand the pay is better in this job so it makes up for worse holiday entitlement.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:12
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In most jobs bank holidays are separate to annual leave entitlement.

In our place the building closes, so you couldn't come to work even if you wanted to.
I beg to differ. In my experience bank holidays are included in annual leave.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:13
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No it wouldn't. It is 28 days which can include the Bank Holidays so if an extra Bank Holiday was added you would still only get 28 days off. That is why it annoyed me when David Cameron was going on about having an extra day off when we had the royal wedding Bank Holiday. Er no many of us had yet another day taken out of our holiday entitlement.
That never happened to me or anyone I know. We all got an extra day.

Every job I've ever had has specified the number of days leave separate from Bank Holidays. So currently my contract says '25 days annual leave plus public holidays'.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:14
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no. employers can state the days employees are required to take holidays

btw, contrary to what some are posting, statutory holiday entitlement in the uk is 5.6 weeks per year pro rata, not 28 days. if someone is contracted to work 5 days a week then the minimum number of days would be 28 pro rata, but someone who only works 4 days or less is not entitled to 28 days for example

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitleme...ts/entitlement

there's no statutory right to have bank holidays, public holidays, weekends or any other specific day off
I think people are actually aware of that, but for arguments sake are basing it on someone working 5 days a week....those working less than 5 days still get the equivalent of 28 days minimum.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:21
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No it wouldn't. It is 28 days which can include the Bank Holidays so if an extra Bank Holiday was added you would still only get 28 days off. That is why it annoyed me when David Cameron was going on about having an extra day off when we had the royal wedding Bank Holiday. Er no many of us had yet another day taken out of our holiday entitlement.
Minimum used to be 20 days plus how the employer wanted to treat bank holidays, which may have been paid or a lieu day if you worked it or just the day off...now employer has to give 28 days with no need to pay you any extra or give a lieu day.

You are talking about a one off extra day off...if an extra bank holiday was added (not a one off) than I am sure the government would adjust it to 29 days minimum.
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:24
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They increased it to 29 for the Diamond Jubilee, and for William and Kate's wedding, didn't they?
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Old 23-12-2016, 10:26
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No it wouldn't. It is 28 days which can include the Bank Holidays so if an extra Bank Holiday was added you would still only get 28 days off. That is why it annoyed me when David Cameron was going on about having an extra day off when we had the royal wedding Bank Holiday. Er no many of us had yet another day taken out of our holiday entitlement.
Exactly ! And personally I like taking my leave when I want not when everyone else is off, a day off should be restful not having to compete with the nation for a walk note beach or a parking space.
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