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When you get liberal left wing icons like Germaine Greer and Peter Tatchell being banned by university student unions for hate speech you know they have totally loyst the plot now.
Freedom of speech - but only if these snowflakes pre approve it. No thanks - universities should be a place of ideas and debate not just one opinion. ![]() ![]()
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i'm just laughing at the double standard of people who are so upset at the word snowflake while they call people "obnoxious tw*ts* and "morons".
.Now you have surveys with students that suggest things like 99% admit they've been assaulted, which can of course mean anything these days (like saying something bad). Totally demeans those who really have been assaulted. Like some women who cry rape when someone says hello. Yeah, that really helps rape victims who are now associated with that. On a Facebook group only yesterday, there was someone who posted a photo of all their Christmas cards having been torn open in the corner (suggesting someone was opening them to look inside and look for money/gift cards). A postal worker came back to say how offended he was that people make accusations against postal workers who are ALL honest, and it must have been a faulty sorting machine. He continued by saying that people shouldn't judge or post such accusations on social media. That's fine (albeit not quite true if you look at court records) but he then went on to say that if it was happening, it would be temporary workers at Christmas - and then went on a rant about how they were all foreign and dodgy. Erm, okay. I personally think that generation snowflake has helped move us (and America) to the hard right. Many people are so sick of these people telling them what they can and can't say, or how to avoid offending people, that they've decided to support someone who says we can all say what we like. Problem is, we've ended up with support for people like Trump and Farage (who just won't go away). And all because people who had genuine concerns couldn't debate the issues with others, and hopefully somewhere along the way found some middle ground rather than going to the other extreme. |
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Oh nice.... made up stories about Safe Spaces. Have you been triggered... perhaps you do need a safe space?
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Another problem is how the media will interpret what a snowflake is, just as we see how trolling has been somewhat misunderstood - although I guess there's a link between snowflakes and trolls. The latter setting out to 'trigger' the former.
Trolling by many media outlets suggests someone just saying things others disagree with. That's not trolling, and we shouldn't be seeking to stop or ban these people. Trying to ban Nick Griffin didn't stop racists, and ridiculing Farage and others didn't stop people supporting UKIP and voting to leave the EU. Trolling is about people winding others up, goading people and trying to provoke a reaction (then, commonly, going to the authorities to claim an attack on themselves to feel the 'power' of getting someone else in trouble). It's about doxxing and making personal attacks against someone, not saying they believe in something the other person doesn't. We all need to hear views that are different to our own, and learn how to discuss them without abuse. Social media is terrible for this. Even this forum. You can't mention Apple or Android without the opposite Android and Apple people coming to argue and belittle the opposite party. Some things get so incredibly personal when in the grand scheme of things they aren't important at all, or even relevant. We need freedom of speech, and the only thing that needs to be controlled are words that get nasty or personal, perhaps even threatening. Similar to what I said before, I think people claiming to be offended over the silly things only serves to encourage some to be more and more nasty - almost as a joke. There are idiots out there, and once you have precious snowflakes who get upset, you're going to equally breed a generation of wind up merchants. Both sides need to stop and realise there are really bad things going on in the world that needs more attention and interest. |
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The first time i heard the term was when gamergate first started and was used a lot during that whole thing. A youtuber called mister metokur formerly known as internetaristocrat has been using the term a lot over the years too.
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It's a new one on me.
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The first time i heard the term was when gamergate first started and was used a lot during that whole thing. A youtuber called mister metokur formerly known as internetaristocrat has been using the term a lot over the years too.
Neither 'side' can claim any victory from that mess. Hopefully something that one day we'll be able to discuss in universities to show what happens when you try and stop free speech, or let people become offended over mostly trivial things. |
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Obviously not all, hence a term that describes only those who are so easily offended by everything.
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See, im a leftie. And i understand that in university its best to hear from i wide variety of voices.
But, tatchell and greer are both dreadful people. Awful, awful people. |
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More popular recently but not a new term - "You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake" is from Fight Club (which takes us back to 1999).
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Indeed. 1996, though... the line's in the Palahniuk novel.
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Labels, the lazy way to try and shut down any sort of actual debate. You can fairly much bet that certain people on either side of any debate will try it, though.
Bad things happen, mean things happen and people talking about you behind your back. There are so many issues in life that are so simple that people cannot seem to handle. Even criticism or somebody saying, stop doing that. Quote:
the snowflake generation aka millennials born 1981-1997, grew up being taught 'non competitive sports' , 'everyones opinion is of equal worth', and not to say anything that might offend.
it taught people wrongly that they cannot lose, instead of how to handle losing. it taught people that everyones opinion is of equal worth, even when its utter crap, giving the mutterings of an idiot the same worthiness of a well constructed, intellectually sound opinion. it taught people not to offend, by teaching them to be offended instead of how to handle the offence . what ever happened to 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'? we, the older boomers and gen x's are responsible for wrapping our kids up in cotton wool, protecting them against anything that might hurt them instead of teaching them how to handle all the unpleasant, nasty knocks the world will throw at them. hence the hysterics at the referendum. hence that lack of great new experimental music or comedy being produced by the snowflakes. ironically the snowflakes themselves are a prime source of comedy, all it would take is a skilled writer, but thatll need to be someone over 35! lol So glad I have fallen out of that bracket to not have that label. 1980. |
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When you get liberal left wing icons like Germaine Greer and Peter Tatchell being banned by university student unions for hate speech you know they have totally lost the plot now.
Freedom of speech - but only if these snowflakes pre approve it. No thanks - universities should be a place of ideas and debate not just one opinion. But now, suddenly it's Snowflakes causing the problems. |
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Very snowflaky. Or the court decides Brexit has to be voted on in Parliament, then there is also hysterics and weeping that the legal system needs abandoned because they don't agree with it. Snowflakes everywhere.
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Double standards is a common problem. You say something I don't like, I'll report you and ask for you to be banned, and then make out the problem is bigger because 'people like you are all like that'.
Now you have surveys with students that suggest things like 99% admit they've been assaulted, which can of course mean anything these days (like saying something bad). Totally demeans those who really have been assaulted. Like some women who cry rape when someone says hello. Yeah, that really helps rape victims who are now associated with that. On a Facebook group only yesterday, there was someone who posted a photo of all their Christmas cards having been torn open in the corner (suggesting someone was opening them to look inside and look for money/gift cards). A postal worker came back to say how offended he was that people make accusations against postal workers who are ALL honest, and it must have been a faulty sorting machine. He continued by saying that people shouldn't judge or post such accusations on social media. That's fine (albeit not quite true if you look at court records) but he then went on to say that if it was happening, it would be temporary workers at Christmas - and then went on a rant about how they were all foreign and dodgy. Erm, okay. I personally think that generation snowflake has helped move us (and America) to the hard right. Many people are so sick of these people telling them what they can and can't say, or how to avoid offending people, that they've decided to support someone who says we can all say what we like. Problem is, we've ended up with support for people like Trump and Farage (who just won't go away). And all because people who had genuine concerns couldn't debate the issues with others, and hopefully somewhere along the way found some middle ground rather than going to the other extreme. |
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The real trouble with snowflakes is when they melt then refreeze as ice. That is when they really become dangerous.
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Rob seemed to think it was all of that generation.
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But, tatchell and greer are both dreadful people. Awful, awful people.
Problem with the 'snowflake' generation is they want to agressively close down debate in the interests of deconflicting their environment and removing any microagressions that might force them to think. As for the origin, much has been from stock psychology, but then filtered through social science. |
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The real trouble with snowflakes is when they melt then refreeze as ice. That is when they really become dangerous.
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Reading this thread has triggered me. I need a safe space .
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People generalise, but nobody surely believes anyone thinks EVERYONE is the same? I know in the past, I've felt a need to add a disclaimer every time I say something that could sound like I'm talking about everyone, but then I think it's usually quite obvious.
After all there are toilets in America both sexes can use...
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I think most people are pretty liberal by nature, but some have stronger views than others.
But when other liberal minded people shut down nearly all debate and make you have to conform to a particular narrative, you end up making people look elsewhere - and potentially making big mistakes. Now there are genuine Trump supporters, and many people who support him WANT him to do some crazy things. They've always existed, but were perhaps forced to be silent, which in turn kept them below the radar and made the 'snowflakes' think they were changing the world by shutting down debate. Newsflash; they did nothing because censorship doesn't work. Shaming people so they won't admit what they believe in, or who they voted for, cannot ever work. You get people lying. If you believe many student activists, there are no people who support the Tories because they're evil and nasty. Well, shock, people DO vote Tory. Many just won't admit it now. I didn't want Trump becoming President, but I wish we'd allowed his supporters to speak more freely before, so some twisted arguments and beliefs could be challenged and debated. Now you have YouTube awash with videos of students and 'SJWs' crying that the world is over, and not believing such things could happen. As I said, I find these people quite significantly responsible for these, and future, 'shock' results. Shocking to them, but perhaps not to others who can see where this is all going. |
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Everyone is the same? You fooled me there as all I've heard and read for the push of equality, rights and fairness. Making everyone believe we're all the same.
After all there are toilets in America both sexes can use... ![]() |
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Ah, so calling people 'morons' is ok but calling people 'snowflakes' is bad. Gotcha
'Snowflakes' are basically people (not groups, but individuals) who find offence in anything and everything. They're real people and they walk among us, but obviously the term has become diluted to mean anyone who is slightly sensitive, and also encompasses anyone who holds a different viewpoint to you. You're not only offended by the word moron but offended on behalf of morons. How leftie/liberal/sjw/precious/special/millennial are you!!! |
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I think most people are pretty liberal by nature, but some have stronger views than others.
But when other liberal minded people shut down nearly all debate and make you have to conform to a particular narrative, you end up making people look elsewhere - and potentially making big mistakes. Now there are genuine Trump supporters, and many people who support him WANT him to do some crazy things. They've always existed, but were perhaps forced to be silent, which in turn kept them below the radar and made the 'snowflakes' think they were changing the world by shutting down debate. Newsflash; they did nothing because censorship doesn't work. Shaming people so they won't admit what they believe in, or who they voted for, cannot ever work. You get people lying. If you believe many student activists, there are no people who support the Tories because they're evil and nasty. Well, shock, people DO vote Tory. Many just won't admit it now. I didn't want Trump becoming President, but I wish we'd allowed his supporters to speak more freely before, so some twisted arguments and beliefs could be challenged and debated. Now you have YouTube awash with videos of students and 'SJWs' crying that the world is over, and not believing such things could happen. As I said, I find these people quite significantly responsible for these, and future, 'shock' results. Shocking to them, but perhaps not to others who can see where this is all going. Quote:
We're definitely not all the same. We should have the same values and respect for each other, but we must be allowed to have different views - and when one person makes another 'go underground', you've solved nothing and probably made things worse.
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I dislike the term Snowflake being used in this way. Snowflakes are wonderful things that initially bring joy to people initially before people eventually get sick and wish it would all just clear off so life can get back to normal.
The term I believe has been used because of how delicate we think snowflakes are, but that is wrong. The people who we attach the "snowflake" name to are not in any way delicate at all. These "Snowflakes" are never wonderful. They are always hypocrites who want to force their own bigoted repressive ideas on to everyone else. They are just a bunch of censorious bullies who attack anyone who doesn't agree with their hive mind beliefs. They aren't weak at all, they just use this as a tactic to get what they want. The worst part is people actually pander to them rather than just telling them to grow up. If these people were genuinely as delicate as they make out to be they couldn't possibly function as a person. There is a video that perfectly encapsulates exactly how they act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XF9gqWVkHg "Snowflake" acts like a moron with a balloon and then totally overreacts when the Police officer pops it. |
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Oh nice.... made up stories about Safe Spaces. Have you been triggered... perhaps you do need a safe space?
![]() The "made up" stories you referred to were articles written by Professors regarding their experiences in American Universities. I linked to one such article, the one in The New Yorker by Harvard Law Professor Jeannie Suk whose students had asked for the word "violate" (as in "violate the law" ) to be banned from classes in case anyone was upset by it. Her fellow law professors had also been asked to cease teaching rape law because it could be distressing. I also referred to the University of California, where in the academic year of 2014-2015, the deans and department heads were presented with a list of phrases to be avoided as they were deemed to be micro aggressions which included the phrase " “I believe the most qualified person should get the job. There are scores of articles on this incident ( a quick google notes 11,800 references to it). The final reference I made was to Imogen Wilson, the vice-president for academic affairs at Edinburgh University Students’ Association who raised her hand during a student council meeting and was then subjected to a vote on whether she should be made to leave the room for "violating a safe space" another complaint was threatened against her when she shook her head in disagreement. In conclusion, no I wasn't triggered, I was referring to incidents of so called triggering I had been reading about. Merely referring to them appears to have triggered a reaction in you as you've accused me erroneously twice of being triggered and also of making it up. Who knew referring to news stories would be so upsetting for you. |
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There is a video that perfectly encapsulates exactly how they act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XF9gqWVkHg
"Snowflake" acts like a moron with a balloon and then totally overreacts when the Police officer pops it. But there are plenty of genuine ones showing gross overreactions, and calls of 'rape' and 'abuse' etc. Plus, sadly, lots of faked/staged things. Whether that's about someone being thrown off a plane, or someone claiming there are no seats on a 'ram packed' train.... Buy my advice is don't go on YouTube to look for these kinds of video because you'll miss Christmas, New Year, Easter and most of 2017. |
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