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Old 22-12-2016, 23:14
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Well, looks like that puts an end to that.

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/ne...-single-market
Spanish politicians have rejected Nicola Sturgeon's proposal to keep Scotland in the single market after Brexit even the UK as whole leaves.

The First Minister published a proposal earlier this week for a bespoke Scottish Brexit deal in the event of the UK leaving the single market, which she hoped would be welcomed by the UK government and EU states.

But the plan was almost immediately dismissed by Spain, which is a powerful voice in the EU and fears giving succour to its own nationalist debate over independence in Catalonia.

Jorge Toledo, the Spanish secretary of state for the European Union, said: “If the UK leaves the single market, the whole UK will leave the single market. There is only one negotiator, the UK government.”
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:19
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Nicola and her deluded SNP tribes don't understand stuff like that.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:21
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We all knew that would be the case the same as if Scotland left the UK and applied to join the EU , Spain and Belgium to start with would veto them (though many have said they wouldn't and there is no evidence that would happen) , they would have to given their own political situations at home.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:22
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Nicola represents every single person in Scotland. How dare Spain tell her what she can and can't do? She is entitled.
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Old 22-12-2016, 23:47
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Old 23-12-2016, 01:22
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Old 23-12-2016, 03:37
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Nicola and her deluded SNP tribes don't understand stuff like that.
she may. The aim may not be to achieve anything more than to acquire another issue to attack the English over, and to make anothr, continuing, argument for the SNP. She may know its a complte impossibility, and also knows that a second referendum could be suicidal .But its still in her interests to have a row over the issue.
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Old 23-12-2016, 04:09
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she may. The aim may not be to achieve anything more than to acquire another issue to attack the English over, and to make anothr, continuing, argument for the SNP. She may know its a complte impossibility, and also knows that a second referendum could be suicidal .But its still in her interests to have a row over the issue.
It's entirely in the interests of the SNP to do this as it keeps her more Independence minded followers sweet by showing that she's doing something when in reality she knows that another referendum anytime soon would highly likely fail.

One third of the SNP don't even support Scotland being in the EU and so she has to balance this with those that do. It's all about keeping up the domestic vote.

If the UK government proposed another Indyref early next year Sturgeon would highly likely refuse it, claiming that we need to see what Brexit is like first.
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Old 23-12-2016, 04:29
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It's entirely in the interests of the SNP to do this as it keeps her more Independence minded followers sweet by showing that she's doing something when in reality she knows that another referendum anytime soon would highly likely fail.

One third of the SNP don't even support Scotland being in the EU and so she has to balance this with those that do. It's all about keeping up the domestic vote.

If the UK government proposed another Indyref early next year Sturgeon would highly likely refuse it, claiming that we need to see what Brexit is like first.
Perhaps England should be offered one
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:01
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Oh dear, how sad, never mind .😂
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:04
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Nicola represents every single person in Scotland. How dare Spain tell her what she can and can't do? She is entitled.
Probably comes down to the fact that Spain is a fully recognised independent country and alas, Scotland is'nt.
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:17
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she may. The aim may not be to achieve anything more than to acquire another issue to attack the English over, and to make anothr, continuing, argument for the SNP. She may know its a complte impossibility, and also knows that a second referendum could be suicidal .But its still in her interests to have a row over the issue.
Attack the English? Where does it attack the English?
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Old 23-12-2016, 08:26
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Everybody knew this, Sturgeon is just playing independence politics.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:56
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Probably comes down to the fact that Spain is a fully recognised independent country and alas, Scotland is'nt.
More to do with Spanish regions that want their own Independence (Catalonia, Basque region).

If Spain agrees to UK "regions" getting their own way - it makes it very awkward for the Spanish Govt
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:02
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Would this affect Scottish independence?
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:04
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Would this affect Scottish independence?
Well it would make it more difficult to persuade us to vote for Independence if we were going to be outside the EU and the UK.

That would be perhaps the worst of both worlds.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:18
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Well it would make it more difficult to persuade us to vote for Independence if we were going to be outside the EU and the UK.

That would be perhaps the worst of both worlds.
That doesn't make sense. What the Spanish have said here has no relevance to an indy Scotland, they've simply said that Scotland can't remain in the UK and the single market unless the rest of the UK does. For any Scot that wants to remain in the single market, that would be a pretty good argument to leave the UK.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:20
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Scotland being given a separate trade deal to the UK while it remains part of the UK was always going to be rejected. The message has always been pretty static, that the EU will only deal with member states and not parts of them.

It was never going to be agreed to, and I believe Sturgeon knew this but still went ahead with it so she could use the rejection to continue pushing the SNP's independence obsession.
I can't help but think that Sturgeon's constant demands will only go against Scotland not for them.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:20
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That doesn't make sense. What the Spanish have said here has no relevance to an indy Scotland, they've simply said that Scotland can't remain in the UK and the single market unless the rest of the UK does. For any Scot that wants to remain in the single market, that would be a pretty good argument to leave the UK.
Then they would just be another country trying to enter the EU and Spain and Belgium would veto them, they would have no choice as to not veto Scotland would cause tensions with their own areas that want independence.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:23
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Scotland being given a separate trade deal to the UK while it remains part of the UK was always going to be rejected. The message has always been pretty static, that the EU will only deal with member states and not parts of them.

It was never going to be agreed to, and I believe Sturgeon knew this but still went ahead with it so she could use the rejection to continue pushing the SNP's independence obsession.
I can't help but think that Sturgeon's constant demands will only go against Scotland not for them.
She could end up with independence-lite, which will suit her for now. She knows that staying in whilst the rest of the UK leaves the single market was very unlikely.

And the anti-Sturgeon hysteria in the media and on message boards like this will make her even more popular in Scotland with the knee-jerk anti-English brigade. Well done guys.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:24
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Then they would just be another country trying to enter the EU and Spain and Belgium would veto them, they would have no choice as to not veto Scotland would cause tensions with their own areas that want independence.
Brexit changes that paradigm, because it makes an indy Scotland the only part of the UK that the EU can feasibly hold on to, which would mean considerable pressure on Spain and Belgium not to veto.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:28
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Brexit changes that paradigm, because it makes an indy Scotland the only part of the UK that the EU can feasibly hold on to, which would mean considerable pressure on Spain and Belgium not to veto.
Except an indy Scotland would no longer be part of the UK it will always be on the island of Great Britain but not part of the political UK
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:28
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Brexit changes that paradigm, because it makes an indy Scotland the only part of the UK that the EU can feasibly hold on to, which would mean considerable pressure on Spain and Belgium not to veto.
To "hold on to" Scotland, the EU would have to ignore their own rules.

Why would the EU give Scotland any special favours? If Scotland is so pro-EU then it should have no issue with completing the due process required to join the EU.

The Scottish Government's desperation in trying to avoid actually have to apply normally almost makes it look like they know that an Independent Scotland would not be able to join.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:28
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I would be very surprised if that does put an end to it. I would anticipate she may give herself Christmas off, and by the middle of January the record will go back on.....sighs
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:29
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the anti-Sturgeon hysteria in the media
I haven't seen any
Can you provide some examples please?
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